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coboardhead



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Techno

You have admitted you took advantage of unemployment insurance. Insurance paid for by premiums through your employer (and indirectly you) and administered by the government. Sounds a lot like SS and Medicare.

So, which CBO projections do you choose not to believe? The ones that show Medicare and SS trust fund are in trouble, the ones that show are debt cannot continue to increase, or just the ones on programs like the ACA that you do not like?
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mac



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dream on from the fantasy world:

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I do think a non-partisan group, with enough time could come up with some programs that get us on the right track without a massive government takeover of our healthcare.


Oh, you mean like the bi-partisan debt commission that Ryan through under the bus?
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"By the way, I don't trust the CBO numbers, for what it's worth."



Although many have already honed in on your comment above, I have to wonder why you're such an easy mark for tea party propaganda. Why is that? Given the fact that there is no real evidence that the tea party and its representatives in congress have accomplished anything noteworthy, why are you so dedicated and trusting in their mantra?

youwindsurf is spot on in the the following comments:

"The Tea Party is not interested in reducing the deficit, they are intent on reducing the size of government. If they really wanted to reduce the deficit, they would support tax increases."

Most credible financial conservatives understand that it's important to pay as you go whenever possible. Could either the Reagan or GW Bush Administrations be considered financially responsible in their past records? Not even close. Although I'm definitely liberal in my politics, I am still very much a fiscal conservative when it come down government spending. Does that mean that I'm intellectually aligned with the Republican's or tea party's ideas when it comes down being fiscally conservative? Not for a second, because I recognize that they simply want the government out of their way.

I'm not fooled at all by the false facade being promoted by the right. If they really wanted to reduce our deficit and pay down our debt, they would advocate putting more money down to solve the problem. That means increased taxation for everyone. Everyone. Anyone that believes that our problem can be resolved without increased taxation and by simply through cutting everything that they don't like is a phony fiscal conservative in my book.
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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is insane to lump all conservatives with the progressive G Bush and Cheney.

Many care about the environment, small businesses, puppies and children.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CBO now estimates that Ocare alone will cause insurance companies to dump 20M policies. But, hey, that beats the Obama administration's own 2010 estimate of 93M dumpees, so we're gaining.

No wonder Democrat congressman are fleeing this sinking ship by the scores.
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technos remark on the CBO surprised me.
They are widely believed to be a non partisan source for important numbers.
The Teas obviously depend on those numbers in their whole economic platform, as Coboard pointed out.
My neighbor shed some surprising light on this from attending Tea functions.

The Teas are pretending that all the damage they did to America with the shutdown is actually a lie being told by Obama and his lackies at the CBO.

This allows them to celebrate the hurt they put on American small businesses and working people. It will go on for years as our national credit rating drops.

If you were a country with billions riding on a stable government, the America which elects the Teas, with Bachman, Palin, and Cruz, is less likely to be your choice. The foreign press says that the conservative wing of our government has spun out of control and is eating our economy alive.
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techno900



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, I don't know where to start. I make a few simple, brief comments and you guys expand them into left wing propaganda.

I think the conservatives are rightly concerned about the deficit, and some of this concern has been a result of the tea parties agenda. That's it, no more than that.

Where have I rejected or complained about SS, Medicare or Unemployment? I only said that for me, I could have done better if I had been able to keep my taxes that were paid into these programs. That's it, no more than that.

I don't trust the CBO, not because of any partisan politics, but because the complexities of what they try to do leaves too much room for error. That's it, no more than that.

You guys have an agenda, and that is to crucify anyone disagreeing with liberal politics. Try not to read between the lines and just respond to the typed comments I make. They are generally pretty simple and to the point. You don't have to agree, but do try to avoid making up things.
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry if I was rude Techno.
I think telling libs that they like to borrow money may have set them off to providing inaccurate opinions to you ,too.
You gave them the impression you have an agenda that involves crucifying libs with right wing propaganda.

Do you think it is possible that most liberals are also rightly concerned with the deficit? I have been listening to both Dems and GOP opposing this farce for my whole life.
The Teas don't seem to operate close enough to the real world to have any effect on that problem, or even to be part of the debate.

I also agree that a third party could come up with a better plan for health care.
The Tea Party has demonstrated their abilities in these areas and many fiscal conservatives aren't willing to pay the billions their mistakes have cost.

I have learned from the Teas how hard it is to start a third party. They are naive people who accepted Koch and other lobbyists money and reject advice from those outside partisanship who know how to govern.
That new third party needs experienced people who understand government and health care.
Most of all they need to apply higher standards in their leadership.
Freaking out when Obama makes a single wrong statement while celebrating Bachman and Cruz streaming untruths is not the standard needed.


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reinerehlers



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to ask why a "socialistic" health care system like what we have in Canada is not a consideration. I see many benefits to our system.
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The response you see to a capitalist system, driven by lobbyist money screaming Commie Commies, might give you an idea how a more socialist plan might fare.
You don't have this enormous corrupt lobby as a the most powerful part of your government.
Canada also lacks an extensive slimeball Talk Radio network lying to your less educated people, paid by lobbyist money.
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