Pipe dream? Obamacare

coboardhead · Joined: 26 Oct 2009 Posts: 4303

KC

I agree with much of your assessment. However, the Administration has been their own worst enemy in the rollout of the program. Having a failed website with no organized backup plan is incompetence or arrogance. True, that things are running more smoothly in state exchanges and this was the initial strategy (thwarted by Republicans).

I am less disturbed by the problems with the rollout than I am with Obama's plan to extend ANY existing policies. Bad idea. This would undermine the whole program.

Techno...yes, this is a "pyramid scheme". All insurance is!

uwindsurf · Joined: 18 Aug 2012 Posts: 968 Location: Classified

techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161

Did anyone miss an important point with the recent ACA sign up numbers rolled out by the administration and the media?

While the numbers are embarrassingly low, the critical point NOT mentioned for the ACA to work, is that there must be millions of PAYING customers signing up. How many of those that did sign up will be paying for their own insurance?

I would guess that the vast majority that did sign up will be getting subsidies, and that paying customers are far and few between.

You know, I am just trying to get the WHOLE story which was not presented.

SS and Medicare were relatively simple to fund and support. EVERYONE was taxed to pay for the programs that was/is working (no working = no SS or Medicare). While management of any new system can have growing pains, the ACA is completely different and a hundred times more complex. Here, the public is being encouraged by threat of extra "taxes" to replace or buy insurance that they may or may not want or need (actually no different from SS and Medicare). However, the government is depending on private insurance companies to fund the program by charging their customers astronomical prices for a product that should be much cheaper. This has disaster written all over it.

keycocker · Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598

The differences you mention with this program and SS and Medicare are rooted in socialism.
The other programs are pure socialism.
Ocare attempts to escape from that and use a capitalist method that is much more difficult.
I never supported ACA because the US has a long history of struggling with big programs. History shows that SS and Medicare which were much simpler still struggled for years.

pueno · Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 2807

keycocker · Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598

Techno does not seem rooted in Obama hate, pueno.
It may be best to speak to each of us based on our real opinions than assigning a group opinion to libs or conservatives.

pueno · Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 2807

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techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161

keycocker,

Thanks for the support. I only hate (and that is overstated) many, but not all left wing programs and believes.

My only real point in my last point was that for the ACA to work, there must be millions of paying customers. And knowing how many of those paying customers have signed up is the only pertinent fact, which was omitted.

Now if the number of paying customers falls well short of the projected/needed enrollment, then what? I guess the administration borrows another trillion to pay for the program. Since the left has no issue with borrowing, there shouldn't be a problem, right? There is another option - more taxes.

Now you know why the ship is sinking.

Do any of you think that the insurance companies are going to backtrack and reinstate cancelled insurance without a big bump in cost? Just another political move to redirect blame away from the administration. And only for one year? What does that do other than get past the 2014 elections before the s&#T hits the fan again. Even the House doesn't get it.