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real-human
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| MalibuGuru wrote: | | Ahh, yes, that would be similar to Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and dozens of other fascists. Great idea. |
please back that up. Lets see the proof they did that when they took office.
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real-human
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Now Hillary did not give any information away. It was on a secure server that even Snowden could not get into. Snowden released much more so good think Hillary's was secure.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-david-petraeus-avoided-felony-charges-and-possible-prison-time/2016/01/25/d77628dc-bfab-11e5-83d4-42e3bceea902_story.html?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_evening
| Quote: | As part of the agreement, Petraeus admitted that he improperly removed and retained highly sensitive information in eight personal notebooks that he gave to Broadwell. The Justice Department said the information, if disclosed, could have caused “exceptionally grave damage.” Officials said the notebooks contained code words for secret intelligence programs, the identities of covert officers, war strategy and deliberative discussions with the National Security Council.
The plea agreement was an outcome that left some in the Justice Department angry, particularly at the FBI, and some agents have argued privately that it will damage future efforts to secure prison terms in leak cases. But others in government defended the deal as the only viable conclusion to a case where a successful prosecution on the more serious charges was far from certain.
“Nobody was going to be happy with the outcome,” said a former Justice Department official. “There was nothing about this case that was typical.”
The plea agreement, while it kept Petraeus out of prison, probably ended whatever ambition he had to become president. It also does not protect him from further punishment — such as stripping him of a star — by the military. The Army recently recommended that Petraeus should not face further punishment, but the final decision rests with Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter who is considering how to rule, according to Pentagon officials. |
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techno900
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In the story posted by baja: | Quote: | | The State Department has both classified and unclassified systems — known informally as the “high side” and the “low side.” The classified system has tight controls, often housed in what is known as a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF); |
This is a question for anyone that might have an opinion.
To me, it looks like Hillary didn't use either the "high side" or "low side" systems available to her, but did use her own server exclusively. I haven't seen anything that contradicts this. So if it is true, then she is claiming that none of her written correspondence ever included any secret/classified information. Seems impossible to me.
I wonder if Rice or Powell avoided the State Departments systems all together, and only used personal servers? |
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boggsman1
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| techno900 wrote: | In the story posted by baja: | Quote: | | The State Department has both classified and unclassified systems — known informally as the “high side” and the “low side.” The classified system has tight controls, often housed in what is known as a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF); |
This is a question for anyone that might have an opinion.
To me, it looks like Hillary didn't use either the "high side" or "low side" systems available to her, but did use her own server exclusively. I haven't seen anything that contradicts this. So if it is true, then she is claiming that none of her written correspondence ever included any secret/classified information. Seems impossible to me.
I wonder if Rice or Powell avoided the State Departments systems all together, and only used personal servers? |
Not personal servers, but personal emails, yes...quite normal. |
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techno900
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Boggs said:
| Quote: | Not personal servers, but personal emails, yes...quite normal.
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OK, I get that, and it's not surprising. But did they avoid the government email systems all together and use their personal email for classified communication?
The claim that Hillary and Rice and Powell all did the same thing seems to be apples and oranges to me. |
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mrgybe
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Apples and oranges? Not even close. Hillary made a conscious decision to conduct all her email business through a personal email account on an unsecured personal server. She destroyed tens of thousands of those emails before investigators could review them. Thus far, about 1,700 of the emails investigators have been able to review contained classified to top secret material. Powell did not use a private server.........a huge difference.......but is accused of receiving two emails containing the lowest level of classified info. He conducted the overwhelming majority of state business on State Dept systems. Rice did not have a private server or email account.
Contrary to the protestations from the Clinton campaign, it is by no means normal for the Sec.State to conduct state business through personal email accounts. Hillary is hoping that poorly informed voters fall for that line just as some in Marin County have. The attached investigative report sheds some light on the matter.
http://viewpure.com/Prls6Iz3B3E |
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mac
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| More horseshit for the rabid. A hit piece without attribution. Investigative report? Only in your dreams. Maybe they'll apologize? Or tell us who funded the hit piece? Big oil? |
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swchandler
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How long has it been now that the FBI has had possession of Clinton's "wiped" server that many claimed would reveal everything? As I recollect, it has been many months now. I have to wonder why arrest warrants haven't been issued for Clinton, or anyone else that has been involved with Clinton's E-Mail traffic.
Could it be that the whole thing is just a BS insinuation and innuendo game drummed up by cagey conservatives to continually project a negative light on Clinton? Probably. |
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mrgybe
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| mac wrote: | | More horseshit for the rabid. A hit piece without attribution. Investigative report? Only in your dreams. Maybe they'll apologize? Or tell us who funded the hit piece? Big oil? |
Oh no!! He didn't think it actually was an investigative report? Only someone who is utterly without humor could have failed to see it was a comedy skit and become enraged. He must be a riot at a dinner party.........for slow worms and sloths. |
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