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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to mention obama was opposed to the Bush policies that lead to Bin laden killing. Enhanced interrogation , gitmo, etc . The capture of Bin Laden was a direct result of gitmo, just ask Leo Panetta. And then to add insult to injury we give up the Doctor that helped provide the information, and obama spikes the ball , tells the world about Seal Team Six, and they are all dead a month later. Bush had his mission accomplished moment , and barry has his Seal Team Six.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boggs this is about a cover up , and the evidence is mounting quickly. Four Americans are dead, and obama and his filthy Chicago gang tried to cover this up, and play politics during an election cycle. barrys lead from behind approach is proving to be a disaster.
barry let the Muslim brotherhood take over Egypt, talk about a war on woman, these freaks are still chopping off woman's private parts.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The BS continues, and without understanding, sympathy, or concern.
Mother of Slain State Dept. Official Tired of Being Lied To and Stonewalled by Obama Administration
9:01 PM, Oct 10, 2012

The mother of State Department official Sean Smith, who was killed September 11, 2012 in the terrorist attack on the American consulate in Benghazi, Libya, appeared on CNN this evening.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Erin, thanks. Good evening, everyone. We begin tonight "Keeping Them Honest," with a mother who is now asking the toughest question any mom ever can. Why is my son dead?

That is all Pat Smith wants to know. Her son, Sean Smith, was one of the four Americans killed on September 11th in that terror attack on American facilities in Benghazi, Libya. Sean Smith, who is one of the computer specialists at the American consulate there. A month later -- a month after she watched her son's casket come off a cargo plane, a month after she says everyone promised her answers, everyone all the way up to the president of the United States. She says she is still waiting to hear. Still waiting for answers. Waiting for a call.

Congress held hearings today. We'll talk about that shortly, but first, my conversation with Sean Smith's mom, Pat.


COOPER: Pat, I appreciate you being with us. And I'm just so sorry for your loss. What do you want people to know about your son, about Sean?

PAT SMITH, SON KILLED IN BENGHAZI ATTACK: Well, God. He was my only child. And he was good, he was good at what he did, he'd loved it.

COOPER: He loved working with computers?

SMITH: Computers, radios. He was good at what he did.

COOPER: Was that something he had done as a kid? I mean how did -- did he always -- was he always good with computer?

SMITH: Well, when he was a kid, computers weren't out yet. And --


And then they were out and he -- I got a computer and he started playing with them and he started showing me how you could build a flame thrower and -- by just watching a computer and then told you how to do it. So that's how it started.

COOPER: He lived in the Netherlands. Were you able to communicate a lot? I mean he'd served in a lot of very dangerous places. Did you always know where he was?

SMITH: I always knew where he was when he told me. For example, this time he was in the Hague and that is where he was stationed. He was supposed to be there for about two years. And then he would transfer some place else. I did not know he was going to be in Libya.

COOPER: Did he ever talk about the dangers that came along with his job? I mean he -- he serve d in Iraq as well.

SMITH: Yes, in fact, he sent me -- I still have it on my computer where he sent me this thing. He was in working in the palace over there.

COOPER: In Baghdad.

SMITH: And they -- yes, in Baghdad, and he says, got to go, and suddenly he just disappeared and I said, well, what's happening over there. And he said listen. And I was listening, and suddenly I heard boom. Where they were shooting at him.

COOPER: You must have worried a lot.

SMITH: When that was over. I can't spend my life worrying about it. I accepted what he wanted to do.

COOPER: I want to play for our viewers some of what President Obama said about your son when he returned home. Let's watch.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Sean Smith, it seems, lived to serve. First in the Air Force, then with you at the State Department. He knew the perils of this calling, from his time in Baghdad. There in Benghazi, far from home, he surely thought of Heather and Samantha and Nathan, and he laid down his life in service to us all.

Today, Sean is home.


COOPER: He's mentioning his wife and his children. When you heard the president say that, what did you think?

SMITH: This is the first time I heard the president say that.

COOPER: It is really?

SMITH: Yes, he never told -- didn't tell me that. Sean knew he was in a bunch of scary places. I knew he was in security places. I didn't expect him to get blown up. I didn't expect him to die. COOPER: Do you feel that you know what happened or are you still searching for answers? Have you been in contact with the State Department? Have they reached out to you and given you details of what happened?

SMITH: That's a funny subject. I begged them to tell me what was -- what happened. I said I want to know all the details, all of the details no matter what it is, and I'll make up my own mind on it. And everyone of them, all the big shots over there told me that -- they promised me, they promised me that they would tell me what happened. As soon as they figure it out.

No one, not one person has ever, ever gotten back to me other than media people and the gaming people.


COOPER: Her son was a big video gamer.

We are going to have more of my conversation with Pat Smith after a quick break. She has some very tough words for this administration who she says has forgotten the promises they made to her the day Sean's body was returned.

Also tonight, the latest on today's congressional hearings into the attacks. Jill Dougherty and Fran Townsend join us next.

COOPER: We're talking tonight with Pat Smith whose son Sean Smith was killed in the Libya terror attack. Former Navy SEAL Glen Doherty was also killed. Today his mother Barbara asked Mitt Romney to stop invoking her son's name on the campaign stump, quote, "I don't trust Romney," she says. "He shouldn't make my son's death part of his political agenda."

Pat Smith did not speak about anyone's political agenda tonight. She is, however, bitterly, bitterly disappointed with the State Department, the Defense Department and the White House tonight. You're going to hear shortly about how the State Department is going to respond to her charges.

But first, though, more of my conversation with Pat Smith starting with her as yet unfulfilled search for answers.


COOPER: Who told you that they would give you information?

SMITH: You'll love this. Obama told me. Hillary promised me. Joe Biden -- Joe Biden is a pressure. He was a real sweetheart. But he also told -- they all told me that -- they promised me. And I told them please, tell me what happened. Just tell me what happened.

COOPER: So you're still waiting to hear from somebody about what happened to your son? About what they know? Or even what they don't know.

SMITH: Right. Right. Officially yes. I told them, please don't give me any baloney that comes through with this political stuff. I don't want political stuff. You can keep your political, just tell me the truth. What happened. And I still don't know. In fact, today I just heard something more that he died of smoke inhalation.

COOPER: So you don't even know the cause of death?

SMITH: I don't even know if that's true or not. No, I don't. I don't know where. I look at TV and I see bloody hand prints on walls, thinking, my God, is that my son's? I don't know if he was shot. I don't know -- I don't know. They haven't told me anything. They are still studying it. And the things that they are telling me are just outright lies.

That Susan Rise, what -- she talked to me personally and she said, she said, this is the way it was. It was -- it was because of this film that came out.

COOPER: So she told you personally that she thought it was a result of that video of the protest?

SMITH: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. In fact all of them did. All of them did. Leon Panetta actually took my face in his hands like this and he said, trust me. I will tell you what happened. And so far, he's told me nothing. Nothing at all. And I want to know.

COOPER: It's important for you to know all the details no matter how horrible.


COOPER: Or no matter how tough they are to hear.

SMITH: Exactly. I told him, if it's such a secret thing, fine, take me in another room, whisper in my ear what happened so that I know, and we'll go from there. But no. No, they -- you know, they treat me like -- at first I was so proud because they were treating me so nice when I went to that reception. They all came up to me and talked to me and everything. I cried on Obama's shoulder. And he -- then he'd kind of looked off into the distance.

So that was worthless to me. I want to know, for God's sakes. Or for Allah's sake or whoever's sake is there.

COOPER: You deserve -- you deserve answers.

SMITH: I think so. I believe I do. I believe it. It's my son. I had him for the first -- I told Obama personally, I said, look, I had him for his first 17 years and then he went into the service, then you got him. And -- I won't say it the way I said it. But I said you screwed up, you didn't do a good job, I lost my son. And they said, we'll get back to you. We -- I promise, I promise you. I will get back to you. COOPER: Some of the administration have said well, you know, we're investigating, we're still trying to find out answers. But you just want --

SMITH: They still are.

COOPER: You would still want them to contact you and at least keep you apprised of the investigation, of where things are. You would think that they would at least do that.

SMITH: That would be so nice. That would at least acknowledge that I have a right to know something, something other than, we're checking up on it, or trust me. I like that one the best of all. Trust me. I will let you know.

Well, I don't trust you anymore. I don't trust you anymore. You -- I'm not going to say lied to me, but you didn't tell me and you knew.

COOPER: Pat Smith, thank you.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matty...should we have invoked the Cheney policy and continued to support Mubarak when millions of Eqyptians were willing to die in order to oust the dictator? its a yes or no question. Cheney policy ....or not.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boggs, no matter how distasteful it may be, keeping Mubarak in would have been alot more peaceful for the time being. We will have to get involved soon if the middle east madness continues. This would be the least desired option. I want all of our troops home.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So does Al Qaeda, whose power is expanding exponentially even before Iran or North Korea or Pakistan provides them with nuclear weapons.

Think about that.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve...this is a legit question. Do we support the dictators or not...quite simple.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For all you eager beavers wanting to heap blame on the Obama Administration, looks like one of the chief Republican idiots in the House, Rep. Issa, screwed up things terribly by holding a public investigation that revealed CIA's involvement in everything, to include disclosing the location of their facility. How could Issa have been so fricken stupid?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've tried to keep my powder dry on this one because very little was clear. There is a plausible possibility here that the Obama administration tried to spin a mistake--but there are many other possibilities, and I doubt that anything will ever be completely clear. Of course when we have reporting from the Obama haters mrgybe and Mike Fick, who are both eager to believe the wildest tale if it shines a bad light on Obama, it is a good idea to keep an open mind and wait for facts.

The facts that have come out, so far, is first, the attack was planned, not triggered by the anti-Muslim video--despite US support for overthrowing Gadafi. Second, there was an argument about whether or not more security was needed (" documents suggested internal disagreement over appropriate levels of security before the attack...") It is clear that Eric Nordstrom recommended more security, it is equally clear that Charlene Lamb disagreed, wanting to normalize relationships. She is higher on the food chain within State (from their website: Deputy Assistant Secretary for International Programs, Ms. Lamb is a key member of the DS management team, responsible for providing strategic planning, management support, and establishing budget priorities to senior DS management. Ms. Lamb manages more than $1.2 billion in security assets and programs and thousands of personnel dedicated to that purpose. She is also responsible for the safety and security of over 285 overseas Embassies and Consulates and oversees the 550 special agent/security professionals posted at those locations.) It is also clear that Republicans had cut budget requests for the Department of State (something you would never hear from Issa), and that not every request for more security could be honored.

What is not clear is whether or not Nordstrom had a compelling case for more security--perhaps based on the presence of a CIA operation, or perhaps on superior intelligence--that was ignored by headquarters, or whether or not he is a whistle blower after the fact. I have little hope that Issa will run a fair investigation.

So this has all the earmarks of tragedy--the necessary case for security wasn't well made, was well made but was ignored, intelligence did not show the presence of heavily armed groups, or did, or whatever. It could have been bad luck, or bad decision-making, that is still not clear to me.

I don't think that the Obama administration covered themselves with glory on this one, with their initial instincts to spin it as something that couldn't be foreseen. But it is also pretty clear that such spin happened relatively low in the food chain within State, perhaps because of the unavailability of some intelligence (does anyone think that the CIA shares information with State?), or in order to protect agents in the field.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac, of course you're right about the need to take the time to fully investigate everything to know what really happened in Libya. I've made the same point in the past under a different thread, but as we all know, some here want to make a big scene and take the Obama Administration, and even the president, to task for misleading the American people and the world. What many forget is the fact that some of the real facts and details may never see the light of day given the involvement of intelligence operations and the idea of withholding information considered critical to national security.

It's 24/7 cable news stories like what NW30 posted today that really distort and twist things, particularly in an attempt to influence the upcoming election. The idea of turning events in the nation and the world into some kind of sorry news version of reality TV really reveals to me how sick things are becoming. The ideas of restraint and caution are abandoned in a cavalier attempt to appeal to the divisive elements in society attempting to create conflict and foment a lack of cooperation so their side might win.
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