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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 5:32 pm    Post subject: Who pays for trolls? Reply with quote

do we have free speech or is it paid speech?

https://occupycorporatism.com/cia-sponsored-trolls-monitor-social-media-interact-with-users-to-discredit-factual-information/

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According to Lynnae Williams, former CIA clandestine service trainee and DIA analyst, the FBI and CIA use trolls to monitor social media and interact with users to discredit information disseminated on the web. Williams explains that the CIA provides training videos to new recruits on how to troll the internet. Once a target is locked-in, all open source information is obtained on the individual, and then any angle to discredit them in public forum is used on social media sites.

Software is used to sift through the “mountains” of users on social networking sites. At the Atlanta CIA branch where Williams was trained, she personally witnessed CIA-sponsored and sanctioned trolling of Americans on social networking sites.

In 2011, the CIA revealed its Open Source Center where recruited personnel are used as government trolls to “analyze” websites for information pertinent to the objective of the US government – meaning discrediting targets on certain websites.

Under the guise of conducting business intelligence (i.e. cyberespionage), the Open Source software gathers digital data on targets; including all Facebook posts, Twitter posts, comments on website threads. Those assigned to monitor this data can interact with users online through anonymous portals. Agents are designated to surveillance operations to message anyone, analyze political and religious speech, assess trends and conduct electronic eavesdropping through cell phones, satellites and other digital apparatus.



http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/20/fox-news-reportedly-used-fake-commenter-account/196509

Fox News Reportedly Used Fake Commenter Accounts To Rebut Critical Blog Posts
New Book Details An Extensive Campaign By The Networks' PR Staffers


http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/10/fox-news-unleashes-horde-sock-puppets-unsuspecting-blogosphere

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Every once in a while I get an email from a regular reader insisting that the troll infestation in the comment section is so bad that it can't possibly be organic. Some of these guys have to be paid professionals who are executing a deliberate strategy. I've always poo-poohed this, but maybe I shouldn't have. Via Media Matters, here's an excerpt from David Folkenflik's forthcoming book Murdoch's World, about the Fox PR department's systematic effort to counter anti-Fox criticism:

On the blogs, the fight was particularly fierce. Fox PR staffers were expected to counter not just negative and even neutral blog postings but the anti-Fox comments beneath them. One former staffer recalled using twenty different aliases to post pro-Fox rants. Another had one hundred. Several employees had to acquire a cell phone thumb drive to provide a wireless broadband connection that could not be traced back to a Fox News or News Corp account. Another used an AOL dial-up connection, even in the age of widespread broadband access, on the rationale it would be harder to pinpoint its origins. Old laptops were distributed for these cyber operations. Even blogs with minor followings were reviewed to ensure no claim went unchecked.


http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2009/08/astroturf-trolls-for-the-blogosphere.html
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"Astro-Turf Trolls for the Blogosphere"

Great. Organized, paid blog trolls:

Make no mistake: GOP is paying trolls to "blog attack", by Politics and Technology: This is unbelievable. We always knew that there were right-wing political hacks trolling the blogosphere, but this is a new low.

There's a company called Advantage Consultants that's offering up "professional blog warriors" to "flood the zone" with comments. In short, astro-turf trolls for the blogosphere.

Click to zoom on their ad..., but here's the text:

Are you ready for a blog attack?

Get ahead of your opponent with Professional Blog Warriors.

Be prepared to "flood the zone" with comments from professionals who are ready to put your talking points on the blogosphere 24/7.

Whether it's defense or offense, Advantage Consultants has a dedicated team of experienced blog warriors ready to advance your candidate or campaign.

Why wait for the attack? Launch your attack with a battery of blog and forum comments aimed at all media and blog sites in your district.

Contact us today and let us show you the Advantage in professional blog warfare.

...Incidentally, who are these people? Who is Advantage Consultants? Their president is Doug Guetzloe, a right-wing radio host and anti-tax activist in Florida.

The marketplace of ideas is far from ideal. This goes on in a variety of different formats, people are paid to call into radio shows, to write letters to the editor at local papers, to attend public meetings, if there's a public forum on an important issue you can bet someone, somewhere is doing their best to figure out how to manipulate the discussion in their favor. This is just the extension of an old technique to a new format (e.g. here's the same consulting group explaining how to manipulate talk radio).

But the basic dishonesty of it all bugs me.

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We need an even larger more intrusive government so they can continue to monitor people like you.
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
We need an even larger more intrusive government so they can continue to monitor people like you.


Wait for it........

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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually real-whatever pays for it, he claims to be the biggest victim of trolling that this website has ever seen.
Great thread.

Yeah, waiting for it...........

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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
Actually real-whatever pays for it, he claims to be the biggest victim of trolling that this website has ever seen.
Great thread.

Yeah, waiting for it...........


troll post....

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
We need an even larger more intrusive government so they can continue to monitor people like you.


since you claim to have worked in the oil industry, were you involved in corporate propaganda to troll ? Were you involved in dis-information and spreading lies to the public about oil? IE were you responsible in the lies that have killed how many people because of oil company lies and propaganda.


I am aware oil companies threatened to pull all their advertising with all media that would run articles against anyone their industry. Were directly involved in that communist corporate ploy of sensorship?

Koch brothers (oil) alone were planning on spending a billion dollars this year for the election of right wingers.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8646744/
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During that period, the top 10 major public oil companies have sold some $1.5 trillion worth of crude, pocketing profits of more than $125 billion.



http://www.aier.org/research/briefs/1550-obama-thanks-his-friends-government-spending-and-union-support
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Since 1990, labor unions have contributed over $667 million in election campaigns in the United States, of which $614 million or 92 percent went to support Democratic candidates. In 2008, unions spent $74.5 million in campaign contributions, with $68.3 million going to the Democratic Party. Already, unions have contributed $6.5 million to the 2010 elections, and $6 million has gone to Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics in Washington, D.C.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/14/us/politics/fossil-fuel-industry-opens-wallet-to-defeat-obama.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120914
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This year’s campaign on behalf of fossil fuels includes a surge in political contributions to Mitt Romney, attack ads questioning Mr. Obama’s clean-energy agenda, and television spots that are not overtly partisan but criticize administration actions like new air pollution rules and the delay of the Keystone XL oil pipeline from Canada.

“Since Obama became president, gas prices have nearly doubled,” said one advertisement by the American Energy Alliance, a group financed in part by oil executives. “Tell Obama we can’t afford his failing energy policies.”
With nearly two months before Election Day on Nov. 6, estimated spending on television ads promoting coal and more oil and gas drilling or criticizing clean energy has exceeded $153 million this year, according to an analysis by The New York Times of 138 ads on energy issues broadcast this year by the presidential campaigns, political parties, energy companies, trade associations and third-party spenders.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

note it was reported there was a right wing paid troll posting even on Iwindsurf . again a paid troll by right wing concerns.

why would they pay someone to post their propaganda here.

is it free speech or is it paid speech when paid to post here. Should paid speech always notify that they are attack dogs.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who was this paid troll?

Reported by who?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just part of Baja's paranoia, nothing more.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good question, why would they pay to post their propaganda?

That would as crazy as xxxx believing he's made a difference by posting here.
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