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vientomas
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:22 am Post subject: |
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mat-ty wrote: | mac wrote: | Celebrities--whether sports figures, politicians, or movie stars--are magnets for sexual assault claims. We do afford (well, all but Matty) a presumption of innocence until there is a successful prosecution or civil case. This even applies to a misogynist like Trump, or a skirt chaser like Clinton.
Anyone who has spent time on policy in Washington D. C. knows that there are a raft of young men and women working on legislation with powerful men--and their staffs. A lot of sex goes on, and any number of politicians take advantage of their power to seduce young women. Or in the case of Monica Lewinsky, to seduce older, powerful men. Some of it is sexual harassment, but a lot of it is consensual.
The numerous settled cases against Ailes are not accusations, they are settled lawsuits. They are only the latest evidence of crimes that have been proven against the Murdoch publishing/political organization, most aggregiously in Britain. The pattern of sleazy behavior, dating back to "I am not a crook" Nixon, shows the appalling lack of ethics on the part of Ailes.
Defenses that ignore those crimes and compare them to unproven accusations against Clinton show either a lack of understanding, or desperation. [/img] |
"and their staffs" you sick old man.
Nice try trying to explain away Bills obvious and well documented sexual predator issues.
Ailes was smart enough to settle and put it in the rear view mirror, unlike Bill the predator who doubled down, committed perjury and made a complete ass of himself, and stained(pun intended) the most prestigious office in the world forever... |
http://listverse.com/2015/02/24/10-scandalous-presidential-affairs-weve-totally-forgotten-about/ |
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mrgybe
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:37 am Post subject: |
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mac wrote: | Anyone who has spent time on policy in Washington D. C. knows that there are a raft of young men and women working on legislation with powerful men--and their staffs. A lot of sex goes on, and any number of politicians take advantage of their power to seduce young women. Or in the case of Monica Lewinsky, to seduce older, powerful men. Some of it is sexual harassment, but a lot of it is consensual. |
Aside from the laughable inference that he has spent sufficient "time on policy in DC" to form any credible opinion, the assertion that sex between young, impressionable youngsters on Capitol Hill, and their powerful, much older bosses, is OK because it is "consensual", is appalling. It is not OK. |
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KGB-NP
Joined: 25 Jul 2001 Posts: 2856
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:15 am Post subject: |
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mrgybe wrote: | mac wrote: | Anyone who has spent time on policy in Washington D. C. knows that there are a raft of young men and women working on legislation with powerful men--and their staffs. A lot of sex goes on, and any number of politicians take advantage of their power to seduce young women. Or in the case of Monica Lewinsky, to seduce older, powerful men. Some of it is sexual harassment, but a lot of it is consensual. |
Aside from the laughable inference that he has spent sufficient "time on policy in DC" to form any credible opinion, the assertion that sex between young, impressionable youngsters on Capitol Hill, and their powerful, much older bosses, is OK because it is "consensual", is appalling. It is not OK. |
What, you don't, or didn't do that in your workplace? |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:22 am Post subject: |
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mac wrote: |
Anyone who has spent time on policy in Washington D. C. knows that there are a raft of young men and women working on legislation with powerful men--and their staffs. A lot of sex goes on, and any number of politicians take advantage of their power to seduce young women. Or in the case of Monica Lewinsky, to seduce older, powerful men. Some of it is sexual harassment, but a lot of it is consensual.
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Heh, blaming Monica?
And to think that anyone who is against Hillary, according to you, is supposed to be some kind of a misogynist.
How ironic. |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17744 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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mrgybe wrote: | mac wrote: | Anyone who has spent time on policy in Washington D. C. knows that there are a raft of young men and women working on legislation with powerful men--and their staffs. A lot of sex goes on, and any number of politicians take advantage of their power to seduce young women. Or in the case of Monica Lewinsky, to seduce older, powerful men. Some of it is sexual harassment, but a lot of it is consensual. |
Aside from the laughable inference that he has spent sufficient "time on policy in DC" to form any credible opinion, the assertion that sex between young, impressionable youngsters on Capitol Hill, and their powerful, much older bosses, is OK because it is "consensual", is appalling. It is not OK. |
Exhibit A in the loss of capacity for critical thinking, much less reading. Nowhere here have I said that sex between people of different power status' is OK. Take the Lewinsky matter. Assuming that the reports that she set out to seduce Clinton are accurate, he had vastly more power than she did, and should have been mature enough to resist. I consider that a serious character flaw--but neither a crime nor an impeachable offense. Such behavior is not rare in Washington D. C. Whether or not it amounts to a crime, or sexual harassment, depends on the facts and the willingness of the participants. Ultimately it is the seduced or propositioned that gets to decide whether or not they are willing to go forward with a complaint, and the difficulty of a he said she said difference of perception. Women, particularly young women who are trying to advance their careers, are almost always at a disadvantage in such a situation. Monica Lewinsky chose not to pursue that, and we can only speculate about her motives. No other civil cases against either Trump or Clinton have yet been successful. Some of the reported accusations, of both men, have been either patently absurd or come from highly suspect sources.
To excuse Ailes by saying other people also did sleazy things is a true failure in reasoning, repeated here again and again. Ailes has been sleazy repeatedly over his career, but then he learned from Tricky Dicky. Slick Willy is also sleazy. But I don't expect anyone to be perfect, and to focus only on Clinton's personal failures and ignore his accomplishments as President, is to miss the forest for the trees. Or to again try to put words in my mouth that I didn't say or type. |
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real-human
Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14839 Location: on earth
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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nw30 wrote: | mac wrote: |
Anyone who has spent time on policy in Washington D. C. knows that there are a raft of young men and women working on legislation with powerful men--and their staffs. A lot of sex goes on, and any number of politicians take advantage of their power to seduce young women. Or in the case of Monica Lewinsky, to seduce older, powerful men. Some of it is sexual harassment, but a lot of it is consensual.
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Heh, blaming Monica?
And to think that anyone who is against Hillary, according to you, is supposed to be some kind of a misogynist.
How ironic. |
Well Monica knew he was married too. She did not have sour grapes about being involved with him, where some did once he was running for president.
Again Reagan was fing everything he could find... But that was OK with you right wingers to elect the first divorced president wasn't he. And he was a major whore/slut... He like trump bragged about it Trump was even on Howard Stern on the air bragging... trump is a serial adulterer. A wife beater a rapist and again filed in court a child molester.
Again Trump has never gone on record with his rape issues. Again another rape charge was made well before he was running for president by another female. . _________________ when good people stay silent the right wing are the only ones heard. |
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real-human
Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14839 Location: on earth
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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was horrible Matt interrupted h constantly and rarely trump. He asked H questions that had nothing to do with the commander and chief forum and gave softballs to trump. Did not even call trump for his obvious lies.
WPO
Matt Lauer’s widely panned performance shows the perils for debate moderators
Quote: | The most galling moment came when Donald Trump repeated his demonstrably false claim that he was “totally against the war in Iraq,” and Lauer never pressed him on it. |
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/9/7/1567784/-Questions-on-a-curve-Matt-Lauer-may-as-well-have-asked-Trump-about-his-summer-vacation _________________ when good people stay silent the right wing are the only ones heard. |
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real-human
Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14839 Location: on earth
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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if the media was liberal this would not have been past one week... but how many years now?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-hillary-clinton-email-story-is-out-of-control/2016/09/08/692947d0-75fc-11e6-8149-b8d05321db62_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-f%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.df8743bc09a0
The Hillary Clinton email story is out of control
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JUDGING BY the amount of time NBC’s Matt Lauer spent pressing Hillary Clinton on her emails during Wednesday’s national security presidential forum, one would think that her homebrew server was one of the most important issues facing the country this election. It is not. There are a thousand other substantive issues — from China’s aggressive moves in the South China Sea to National Security Agency intelligence-gathering to military spending — that would have revealed more about what the candidates know and how they would govern. Instead, these did not even get mentioned in the first of 5˝ precious prime-time hours the two candidates will share before Election Day, while emails took up a third of Ms. Clinton’s time. |
_________________ when good people stay silent the right wing are the only ones heard. |
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real-human
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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He just lied again and yet the media will not go after him for it.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/9/8/1568041/-Donald-Trump-badly-rattled-on-Iraq-and-still-lying-about-his-opposition
Donald Trump badly rattled on Iraq, and still lying about his opposition
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Jan. 28, 2003: Trump says he expects to hear “a lot of talk about Iraq and the problems,” and the economy. He urges Bush to make a decision on Iraq. “Either you attack or you don’t attack,” he says. …
March 19, 2003: President George W. Bush announces … war with Iraq has started.
March 21, 2003: Trump says the war “looks like a tremendous success from a military standpoint,” and he predicts the market will “go up like a rocket” after the war. |
_________________ when good people stay silent the right wing are the only ones heard. |
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real-human
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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great points here the media attacked clinton for giving the deplorable trump people. But it is true, about 50% are racist and so on deplorable as she put it. So the media wants her to take it back but she is correct. I say even more the other half are also for allowing the deplorables in their party of hate.
Watch-media-spin-get-bulldozed-by-the-fact-that-half-of-Trump-s-supporters-ARE-racist
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/9/12/1569417/-Watch-media-spin-get-bulldozed-by-the-fact-that-half-of-Trump-s-supporters-ARE-racist
Quote: | When I heard the remark my first question was: Is this true? Right? Regardless of how it sounds, what it looks like, is it accurate? What is the case about Donald Trump supporters? And if you break down the numbers and you look at the RealClearPolitics average, and it gives Trump up about 43 percent of registered voters. So it's about 30, 31 million people. |
Quote: | "To just be grossly generalistic, you can put half of Trump supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables," Clinton said. "Right? Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, you name it." |
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Compare that to polls that show 65 to 70 percent of all Republicans who say Barack Obama either wasn't born in the United States or is a Muslim. You look at pilot data from the American National Election Study, and it shows upwards of 40 percent of Republicans saying things like, "Blacks are more violent, blacks are lazier, Muslims are more violent, Muslims are lazier." Among Trump supporters in particular, 60, 50, 70 percent of them agree with statements political scientists categorize as being explicitly racist. So I'm looking at Clinton's statement, and half—which is about 31 million people again—doesn't really seem that out of bounds. Forty to fifty percent of Republicans, I would say, looking at the full spectrum of data, agree with beliefs that we would categorize as “explicitly prejudiced.” So regardless of whether or not Clinton needs to walk it back or not, I think she's being correct and accurate. |
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