The bench looks great

isobras · Joined: 17 Jul 2012 Posts: 439

I heard a two-hour discussion and debate today on the Ryan speech, by a neocon -- by definition a former Democrat activist who converted to Republican -- historian. It confirmed my own informed assessment that every claim Ryan made was not only true but confirmed by fact checking orgs, government agencies and data, and/or the public record. Yes, the Obamamedia's accusations were discussed directly, and every one was easily disproved.

MSNBC should be banned from public access IMO. Lying about an entire political party all day every day under the mantle of journalistic truth, especially when the future of the free world in is jeopardy, leans much more towards sedition or even treason than free speech. The harm it does is evident in the incredible and nearly absolute ignorance displayed every day by its audience here and on TV.

Somebody is citing Susan Kohn as as source of ANYTHING? Hell, why not Maher, or Soros, or Palin?

windoggi · Joined: 22 Feb 2002 Posts: 2743

keycocker · Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598

i agree Matty. I liked the guy and had a hard time believing he said those things that are so easy to check.
You checked right?
Ryan said "....Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: ‘I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.’ Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day.”

ANALYSIS: The General Motors assembly plant in Janesville, Wis., closed in December 2008. Barack Obama became president in January 2009. The plant remains closed.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/30/3788088/fact-check-ryans-speech-went-over.html#storylink=cpy

pueno · Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 2807

techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4162

I don't have cable or satellite, but do occasionally see Fox and MSNBC, plus a few others.

Clearly, Fox goes right and MSNBC goes left, but there appears to be a HUGE difference in my opinion. Let's take a look at their news and round table type shows.

The moderators at Fox news ask hard questions when interviewing conservatives, seeming as if the moderator was on the left. In addition, they seem to have numerous interviews that include representatives from both parties, each having the opportunity to state their point. To me, there is a clear attempt to offer balance in their reporting.

However, on MSNBC, I have never seen any balance or hard questions, only pontification of the left's views.

Granted, my take is based on limited viewing, so natually, the left will argue the point.

mac · Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:59 am Post subject:

matty matty matty. Baseless claims with no citation. Not up to fourth grade standards. No wonder your credibility and karma ratings are at a four year low. See your heart doctor before the election in case Obama crushes mittens and you have to cope for four more years.

isobras · Joined: 17 Jul 2012 Posts: 439

pueno · Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 2807

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

Putting 24/7 cable TV aside, I think most reputable news organizations offer opinions and commentaries that come from the right and left, to also include viewpoints from positions in the middle. I think it's up to each of us ferret out what is true, and what is not. Given the wealth of sources, it's not too hard to find out what's really going on, and what's really important and worthy.

Regarding Ryan's speech at the Republican convention, I think most honest and informed folks realize that it was filled with many falsehoods. I find it amazing that Ryan, while under such a huge spotlight, couldn't stay in-bounds in his statements. What does that say about his character? He could have presented a fine speech that highlighted important positions that represent what the Republican party stands for, but he chose not to keep things clean. I think we all understand that with the Supreme Court's Citizen's United decision that there are many sources of biased and blatant misinformation coming from many questionable sources right now. I also think it's fair to say that this kind of nonsense is coming both the right and the left. But, such deliberate misrepresentations coming from the Republican Party's Vice Presidential candidate in such a high profile venue is atrocious.

While mat-ty and others here may elect to look the other way and ignore the clear untruths that Ryan uttered, I can't.

keycocker · Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598

Yeah. It was disappointing that Ryan chose to read whatever was on the Teleprompter.
Romney himself told some whoppers before he chose Ryan.
I wondered if his mormon beliefs troubled him while lying in public.
I think his handlers found a solution in Ryan, who in the past was an honorable man.
The price of entry on the Romney ticket was made obvious on convention night.
Sad, but at least we may see Romney returning to his principles which would be a welcome relief.