cannot get weight forward on jibe entry

WutUpWitU · Joined: 21 May 2000 Posts: 52

huh, i leave for a few days and come back to you guys arguing with i-osb (a waste of time by the way as he almost never learns anything) about things that have nothing to do with the OP problem, weight forward in a "transition". Laughing

but have fun....

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techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161

There are a lot of ways to skin a cat.

Go to the PWA web site and watch some videos of their slalom races and you will see various ways of rounding a mark to gain an advantage on the competition. Most seem to do best with a large radius gybe while at times a tight short radius gybe (to gain upwind advantage) does offer an advantage. However, for the the short radius turn to work, they have to get back up to speed really fast or they are toast. The wind pretty much determines what works best.

A lot also depends on the angle of the following reach to the next mark. If it's a full reach, a tight gybe can be useless. On the other hand, if they have to pinch to get to the next mark, a tight gybe may be an advantage if they don't loose too much speed on the tight turn. This usually isn't the case and the reaches are typically long so even if you loose a few yards down wind with a large radius turn, it can be made up on the next 1/3 mile reach.

isobras · Joined: 17 Jul 2012 Posts: 439

Embo's not racing.

A tight jibe, to me, refers to the radius, not the net angle carved. Surely a 180-degree high-g carve will scrub off speed, but there's no reason a 90-degree high-g carve needs to lose any noticeable speed. After all, it links two powered-up broad reaches -- the fastest point of sail -- with well under two seconds, as little as one second, of unpowered coasting if ya don't waste time fondling the rig and walking around on the board. For that very reason, the same sail-NONhandling approach works in marginal winds, as it lets us keep milking the breeze for any available power throughout almost the whole jibe, as in milkmilkmilkmilkflipmilkmilkmilkmilk. Again, not much time to lose the plane, and it also works in non-planing snap jibes.

Besides, it's just "plane" fun to cruise through a slow planing jibe, on flat water or down a swell/wave face, as our sail rotates from starboard to port in mid-air as we pick our nose with one hand and scratch an itch with the other, then drop both hands onto the new boom side as it just sits there in space, waiting for us. Ditto a WFO slashing jibe, except it doesn't give us much time to pick or scratch.

techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161

Here is the link to the PWA. They are currently slalom racing in Alacati, Turkey, and the video that pops up, plus some of the other videos provide a really good look at how the pros do it. Their goal is to round the mark (gybe) as fast as possible while maintaining control and as much speed as possible.
http://www.pwaworldtour.com/
No one is doing lay down gybes and at best, their masts stay at least 3 meters off the water. All loose at least half or more of their speed while doing the gybes, and these are the best sailors in the world.