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isobras



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zirtaeb wrote:
reading and relaxing.....which is what retirement is supposed to be all about.

I'm not that old or sick yet. One of the least relaxing things I can think of is "relaxing". That's one reason I haven't gone kiting yet; cruising across the lake with one arm hanging down tells me they're bored.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where is this thread going? Cancer? Is that windsurfing related? Now, the sprained ankle seems more On Topic. LeeD, I wonder if Medicare will be paying for much when you and I are eligible for it. The stats and predictions just don't see the country supporting it. Basically, Doctors get paid too much IMHO. I have to deal with them kiting. They have all the latest equipment and are very cheeky to say the least. Now, I had another hard session yesterday, but arose this morning without much of the usual pain. My ankle does remind me that I have to watch it with the footstraps, though. Running? Jogging? I sprained mine skiing the Alps some thirty years ago and had to give up both of those activities for good. Part of the reasoning was the stress they put on the knees. I didn't realize it until I had quit for a while. The majority of men through the ages have ran in their early manhood to hunt. Most of them didn't make it past thirty because they couldn't run anymore. Now they have been sailing throughout historic times, but there still haven't been any cave paintings discovered of the activity. I'll let you people connect the dots.
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isobras



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sailingjoe wrote:
Where is this thread going? Cancer? Is that windsurfing related?

It was brought up as an example of why reading about exercise and medicine is important to achieving good results. i.e., we can't trust everything to trainers, doctors, or internet wankers.

And Medicare is already failing, in that doctors by the tens of thousands are refusing to accept it because they lose money on it even before they pay somebody to do the paperwork.

Paleo man absolutely thrived into his 60s -- far healthier than most of us -- unless tigers or germs killed him.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe,

From: http://www.ehow.com/facts_6123569_education-training-doctors.html
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Training and education requirements for doctors rank as one of the most rigorous of any profession, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Premedical and medical programs take between seven to eight years to complete. Doctors also undergo residency, which can last up to six years.

I tried to find some statistics on professional pay comparisons, but came up short. However, a recent article in our city paper stated that Dr's on average are paid a little of 100K and there were several other professions that were paid higher including lawyers.

In my opinion, anyone going through the requisite education and training to become a Dr earns every dollar they get paid, at least for the competent ones.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We shouldn't have to pay with our lives for the others.
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pueno



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sailingjoe wrote:
... I wonder if Medicare will be paying for much when you and I are eligible for it. The stats and predictions just don't see the country supporting it.

Brucie, Medicare has enough money to care for those over 55 for many years. It's the kids who will face tougher times -- unless the contribution is increased, eligibility age is bumped up, and Washington repays the money it "borrowed" over the years.

To a lesser extent (though not trivial), reforms in the Medicare system, such as fraudulent billing, lawsuits, etc., will help save billions. (Yes, lawyers.)

You'll be OK, big guy.

Be careful of the rhetoric from the right wing -- they predict bad things in order to install their agenda. It's not as bad as they say nor as good as the liberals say. Medicare needs work but it's fixable (and NOT with a voucher system).



sailingjoe wrote:
Basically, Doctors get paid too much IMHO.

Not the doctors -- it's the MBAs who run the health insurance industry.

It's also the increase in repeat diagnostics so that doctors can cover their butts in the case of a malpractice lawsuit.

The health insurance industry has been skimming the cream off the top for years -- a very thick layer of very rich, green cream. Part of the ACA requires that any money in excess of 20% of gross revenues be returned to subscribers. Some people are receiving checks from their health insurance companies.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iso said:
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We shouldn't have to pay with our lives for the others.

I totally agree and you may be somewhat handicapped because you have to deal with the VA for coverage and Dr's.

I have been lucky since my wife has been in a number of management roles in hospitals and can easily find out who the best doctors are. Generally, the public puts too much trust in Dr's and forget that they are just people and that some are good at what they do and some aren't. For some reason, we seem to dumb down when in a Dr's office and aren't prepared with all the right questions.

It's incumbent on us to do our research to try to find the best ones available. This info usually isn't all that secret, and when you find a good one, being accepted as a new patient isn't always easy. With the ACA, the challenge in finding good Dr's will only increase since many will not be accepting new patients.

And yes, this has much to do with windsurfing since all of us at one time or another have had to sit by with an illness or injury when the wind is blowing and we can do nothing but hope for a quick recovery. Staying healthy and avoiding Dr's is an excellent windsurfing strategy.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
iso said:
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We shouldn't have to pay with our lives for the others.

I totally agree and you may be somewhat handicapped because you have to deal with the VA for coverage and Dr's.

It's incumbent on us to do our research to try to find the best ones available..

That part's right, but the VA is fourth in line among my insurers. Except for the tens of thousands starting to reject all government health care insurance, you'd better believe I very carefully choose and evaluate my doctors for anything serious ... NOW. I presumed too much back when that VA PCP thought PSA was a Krakow airport. The surgeries I had in VA buildings were performed by highly ranked university hospital surgeons. If the ACA is not reversed, I expect my health care to grind nearly to a halt compared to now, when I can simply phone almost any specialist directly and get an appointment within days.

Relevant to this thread: 100%, considering the complexity and extreme long-term risks of strap-related foot injuries.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Techno900 I've seen studies of this back in the 70's and doubt it has changed much. As a group, medical doctors are the highest paid of all. Lawyers, actually, can be divided into classes i.e. trial lawyers, corporate lawyers, etc. but on the average, they are not very well paid. That is why you have to be careful with them, they have the license to steal and will do it. When it comes to Medicaid and other kinds of coverage one has to take into consideration Hospitals and group practices as opposed to individual doctors. You are much more likely to see your "policy" accepted by a hospital that is run well financially than by a doctor who has to do his own paperwork. One last thing, although doctors are well paid, they are not long lived in comparison to the poorer professions like priests, ministers and the like.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

speedysailor wrote:
Techno900 I've seen studies of this back in the 70's and doubt it has changed much. As a group, medical doctors are the highest paid of all. Lawyers, actually, can be divided into classes i.e. trial lawyers, corporate lawyers, etc. but on the average, they are not very well paid. That is why you have to be careful with them, they have the license to steal and will do it. When it comes to Medicaid and other kinds of coverage one has to take into consideration Hospitals and group practices as opposed to individual doctors. You are much more likely to see your "policy" accepted by a hospital that is run well financially than by a doctor who has to do his own paperwork. One last thing, although doctors are well paid, they are not long lived in comparison to the poorer professions like priests, ministers and the like.

Better check these facts with sailingjoe.
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