The real obama

RocRobster · Joined: 22 May 2002 Posts: 80

[quote="mac"]
For Roc Robin, try this one:

techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161

Mac,

I guess you think that I should not post if I haven't done due diligence in research. Some validity to that position, but I do feel that offering an opinion regardless of research is justified at times.

Clearly, we both can find support for whatever we want to believe and that's the rub. It's always hard to get the "real picture" and usually impossible to recognize it even when we see it. Our bias gets in the way.

My whole point in posting regarding welfare was to say that conservatives aren't necessarily opposed to it, but when it provides no motivation or a process to try to dig ones way out of governmental/state support, then the process needs to be re-evaluated. What I have found is that in its broad definition, welfare appears to be pretty complex, and WE all know that anything complex that is state or federally managed, is likely to be in a bit of a mess. I am big on simplifying/reducing/modifying programs so that they can be managed more effectively.

RocRobster · Joined: 22 May 2002 Posts: 80

mac · Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:53 pm Post subject:

RocRobster--you shouldn't take the bad memory of an aging mind personally; I simply forgot your avatar. Trust me, you'll know when I am making fun of you.

It is amusing to hear right-wing evangelicals complain about taking the bible out of context. I guess I have to join the club to do that. The point I am making, which is in context, is that Jesus said far more about tending to the poor and the needy than he did about bombing Iran (or...). Somehow turn the other cheek and tending for the poor seem to be forgotten. What those on this forum who simply parrot RNC talking points don't realize, or ignore, is that the cuts of your heroes will have profound effect on women and children and the generosity of charities and churches is about 10%--or less-- of the need. So I see a lot of camels failing passage through a lot of needles. None of you have suggested how the poor get tended to if the Ryan cuts are made. Instead there is a bunch of hokum about how taxes for educating, housing, and feeding the poor is theft--but taxes for war and subsidizing different businesses are not.

RocRobster · Joined: 22 May 2002 Posts: 80

mac · Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:33 pm Post subject:

Roccy--you'll love Yeehah and Idaho. Have fun.

isobras · Joined: 17 Jul 2012 Posts: 439

The White House denies any preferential treatment of/cooperation with the makers of the upcoming commercial movie of the bin Laden capture/kill raid.

Government emails proving otherwise are pouring out as we type.

Transparency, my ass. Who's playing Obama ... Denzel? Wonder if, by the time the movie hits theaters near you, Obama will be leading the mission ... as Dem Senator Shaheen of NH claimed in a prepared speech as she introduced the president from the president's dais?

What are the odds the movie, scheduled for release in December, will premiere just before the election ... such as Fri Nov 2 ... in selected critical battleground states?

MalibuGuru · Joined: 11 Nov 1993 Posts: 9300

Biblical poor are not like todays poor. Todays poor have cell phones, food stamps and section 8, along with free medical care.

Today's healthy poor are poor in one department, spiritual. If the biblical poor had 3 squares a day, cell service, a dry apartment with running water, and a flat screen, they'd be called EMPEROR CAESAR

mac · Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:05 pm Post subject:

For the fact-free "liberty lovers". Would that you loved education as well, and had read the Federalist papers and knew the distinction between the weak confederation of states before the Constitution, and the authority vested in the Federal government under that document. Here are a few facts about the Ryan budget, and a basic source: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/08/the-poor-get-poorer-how-ryans-budgets-would-affect-ours/261043/

windoggi · Joined: 22 Feb 2002 Posts: 2743

So the theme of the Republican convention is We Built That. Too bad its based on a quote taken completely out of context. Here's the context...if anybody gives a shit. The intellectual dishonesty of the Republicans is what bugs me the most. But, then, they don't care, and you can't embarrass them. Ousting Obama is their only goal. And I think we all know the real reason.

Obama, July 13: There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President — because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.