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GURGLETROUSERS
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I don't see the problem. We all know what kind of feeling and performance we want and fit fins accordingly, so why the song and dance?
Given that any single board can benefit from different sizes and/or types of fin with different sails, and at different ends of its performance window (not to mention different weights of rider) how the blue blazes can any manufacturer fit a single do it all sized fin? They know, and we know that they can't.
Whether they err on the larger size for earlier planing at the lower end, or the smaller size for more radical slashing and sliding at the higfher end is no big deal. They know that any dedicated windsurfer will immediately (after an initial try out) dive into his stash of favourite fins to find that magic matching pair for each end of the boards range, that they, and only they alone, can really appreciate. 
Rules are for fools. Suck it and see say I!! |
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isobras
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| sailingjoe wrote: | | Sliding, I believe sits closer to "crabbing" than it does "spinning out". In the sense that a screw spins (don't forget the zen koan >>why does a mouse when it spins<<), your board will spin out of the water. Now this isn't a 360 for sure, but it is a spin. Glassy waves remains a literary symbolist's term and possibly an oxymoron. |
Boards crab (non-zero AOA) every moment they're not running dead downwind.
Hydrodynamic stall ... sliding sideways ... is called spinout if accidental, a trick if done intentionally. A broader, more generic, term for it is slipping.
Glassy waves -- tilted or even curling smooth water -- are all we see in magazine photos. No oxymoron there.
Your attempts to be difficult are probably confusing the issue for the three readers who don't get it. |
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spennie
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Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
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ISOBRAS: Thanks for you very succinct definitions, nicely done, and I agree that sailingjoe is just confusing things. I would like to point out that your "AOA" refers to Angle Of Attack, and refers to the angle that your fin crabs through the water.
GURGLETROUSERS, not everyone has the knowledge and experience to re-fin their boards to their liking, that's why we have these forums, to share our knowledge with the less-experienced sailors who ask.
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GURGLETROUSERS
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry Spennie. Of course you are right. (It was just a hastily fired response to an irritant!) |
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GURGLETROUSERS
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:21 am Post subject: |
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To make amends for being rude; a recently bought Bic Techno 133 (I have a soft spot for Bics) came with an excellent Pre-preg Select Ride 43 fin. It matches the boards intended use just fine.
To extend the boards range into windier 6.0 and more bouncy conditions a 38 fin was needed. Unfortunately, Select fins are now only available (over here) as original equipment on new Bic boards. With the dealers help (a friend) we matched up an M.F.C. 38 Freeride fin as identical to that size Select Ride fin. (It even came with pretty graphics, though I prefer the classy understated Select colours.)
Should anybody with a Bic 133 wonder, the M.F.C. freeride 38 fin works just fine with a 6.0 sail, in fresher conditions. It was a good buy.
P.S. Forgot to add. Bic boxes are deeper so the M.F.C. fin will need a longer bolt. Works fine though, so no problem. |
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KevinDo
Joined: 02 Jul 2012
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Location: Cabrillo Inside
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| GURGLETROUSERS wrote: | To make amends for being rude; a recently bought Bic Techno 133 (I have a soft spot for Bics) came with an excellent Pre-preg Select Ride 43 fin. It matches the boards intended use just fine.
To extend the boards range into windier 6.0 and more bouncy conditions a 38 fin was needed. Unfortunately, Select fins are now only available (over here) as original equipment on new Bic boards. With the dealers help (a friend) we matched up an M.F.C. 38 Freeride fin as identical to that size Select Ride fin. (It even came with pretty graphics, though I prefer the classy understated Select colours.)
Should anybody with a Bic 133 wonder, the M.F.C. freeride 38 fin works just fine with a 6.0 sail, in fresher conditions. It was a good buy.
P.S. Forgot to add. Bic boxes are deeper so the M.F.C. fin will need a longer bolt. Works fine though, so no problem. |
Good to know. I like bic too  Still use my T293 once in awhile |
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sailingjoe
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| isobras wrote: | | sailingjoe wrote: | | Sliding, I believe sits closer to "crabbing" than it does "spinning out". In the sense that a screw spins (don't forget the zen koan >>why does a mouse when it spins<<), your board will spin out of the water. Now this isn't a 360 for sure, but it is a spin. Glassy waves remains a literary symbolist's term and possibly an oxymoron. |
Boards crab (non-zero AOA) every moment they're not running dead downwind.
Hydrodynamic stall ... sliding sideways ... is called spinout if accidental, a trick if done intentionally. A broader, more generic, term for it is slipping.
Glassy waves -- tilted or even curling smooth water -- are all we see in magazine photos. No oxymoron there.
Your attempts to be difficult are probably confusing the issue for the three readers who don't get it. |
I get a kick out of people who think that what they see in magazine pictures seriously duplicate reality. Then again, most people don't have my kind of art education. The idea that playboy models and movie stars don't have pimples, scars, moles or other blemishes (not to mention tats) remains laughable. The airbrush can take every little ripple out of water and make it look glassy in a photo, my oxymoron of a friend. |
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