Big Oil and citizenship

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

NW30, looks like you need to straighten up your tin hat a bit. Seems like you're picking up some pretty paranoid signals.

You know, yesterday I think that President Obama put things on the table. He certainly isn't responsible for the passage of the Patriot Act, and I think that it's safe to say that the state of the government's efforts has been sophisticated over time based on the ongoing knowledge and input from the executive, legislative and judicial branches. That's not to say that all folks in government agree about what's being done in the name of national security, to include the limits or the lack of limits involved. The important point that Obama raised and highlighted is that Congress can get together and change things, and he openly encouraged that, but as we all know that means real communication and cooperation between members of the Democratic and Republican parties. In my view, all the partisan hype and finger pointing is a waste of time, and predictably, it accomplishes almost nothing of value.

Trying to pin everything on President Obama and his administration is getting tired and old. All one has to do is look at all the Republican nonsense about the ACA to see how bankrupt they really are. There are no real ideas being developed and worked on. Doesn't that embarrass you?

nw30 · Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:23 pm Post subject:

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

In contrast to what you're saying, David Brooks of the NY Times suggested this week on the PBS News Hour that President Obama's decisions to name Susan Rice and Samantha Power to the positions of National Security Adviser and US Ambassador to the UN respectively were excellent choices. While Brooks may not be Republican enough these days, I've found him to be a well informed pragmatist on both people and the issues. Also, from what I understand, Powers will very likely by approved by a Senate 60 vote majority.

With respect to Rice, I glad that President Obama chose her, especially since it gets under the skin of folks like you that feed on the Benghazi thing. Obama apparently likes her candor and style, and if that helps him in an important area of concern, I'm OK with it. Some say the the National Security Adviser position is arguably more important than either the Secretary of State or Defense positions. If anything, it's central to good communication. Why not give her a chance?

keycocker · Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598

She was a victim of politics. Her qualifications for the post seem good.
The invented scandals will not stop.
The USA is being Clintoned again, starting before O took office when Limbaugh blamed the recession on Os policies.
During the Clinton witch hunt the GOP Congress set a new record for failing to pass bills or do their jobs. That record has been broken several times since then by the do nothing Congress. This year they are sure to set a new standard for not working so they have plenty of time to talk about phony O scandals like Reagan cell phones and the Bush Patriot Act.

MalibuGuru · Joined: 11 Nov 1993 Posts: 9300

All this data mining had zero effect on the recent Boston bombings. I must assume that they weren't Verizon customers.. Laughing

Even though the Russian Government warned us twice, they posted anti American messages on FB, and they were on the terror watch list in Russia.

THIS WHOLE WAR ON TERROR IS BULLSHIT. WE SH0ULD END THE WAR TODAY, FIND OUT WHO IS IN AMERICAN, AND LET THE MIDDLE EAST FU(K ITSELF.

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

wynsurfer · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 940

Bard, you are very perceptive! The whole war on terror is bullshit! It's all about taking away OUR FREEDOM! It started with Bush, and Obama is NO DIFFERENT! We are no longer a free country.

The "War on Terror" is all about terrorizing America

wynsurfer · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 940

Bard, you are very perceptive! The whole war on terror is bullshit! It's all about taking away OUR FREEDOM! It started with Bush, and Obama is NO DIFFERENT! We are no longer a free country.

The "War on Terror" is all about terrorizing America

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

Here's some political cartoons from the Washington Post that offer a little something for everyone.

Bard and N30, you'll want to check out number 5 and 32.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-best-editorial-cartoons-of-2013-so-far/2013/06/06/72679fd8-cebe-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_gallery.html?hpid=z6#photo=36

mac · Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:06 pm Post subject:

Bard--amidst your paranoia you sometimes make sense: