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J64TWB



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gybes go to science source is Arthur D. Little, a management consulting company who was being paid by Union Carbide to write a report claiming sabotage was responsible for the Bhopal disaster. The same company who was paid by Philip Morris in 2001 to write a report claiming smoking can help the Czech economy! Science my ass.
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mrgybe



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there are data or conclusions in the report that you dispute, please let us know. Or you could just play with your Lego.
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mac



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AD Little's report is an example of gray literature. They didn't actually--like many of gybe's reports--tell a lie. Instead, they put it in the best possible way to suggest that electrical cars are worse than fossil fuel cars because of toxic materials. Spinners spin, and i hear they make enough money at it to buy multiple houses.

There are legitimate criticisms of battery vehicles, such as the higher weight of the batteries that must be transported. But nearly half of the lithium batteries being manufactured are for non-automotive use, and the recommendations of people who aren't working for the fossil industry is to recycle the materials. But the aha message is that the health risk of toxics in the mining and manufacturing of lithium batteries is trivial. The opposite is the case with automotive emissions.

I'm holding out for fuel cells.

Conservation is the most cost-effective source of energy--another proposition and effort that gybe attacks. But his most unscrupulous attitude is belittling the regulations that save lives--but add costs to the fossil fuel industry.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrgybe wrote:
If there are data or conclusions in the report that you dispute, please let us know. Or you could just play with your Lego.


idiot I gave you one, gigafactory... only the largest battery factory in the world being built and they completely forgot the assessment of it. you do not write a huge unbiased paper on an industry and forget that part. Seems factories can be built that are environmentally sound. When a paper is written that seems to forget this and not even a peep. by a blogger they are outed in 20 seconds. When that happens we toss the garbage in the trash where you right wingers goggle it up..

Just do not move to love canal... the way right wingers think they should be. aren't coal companies now not responsible again if their containment ponds overflow degrade or break again into rivers? which way do you argue depends on the wind.

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mac



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrgybe wrote:
If there are data or conclusions in the report that you dispute, please let us know. Or you could just play with your Lego.


The health risk is misleading. But then an honest debate is not something you participate in..
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

interesting perspective
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/02/20/benefits-russian-oil-sanctions-end/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IM-cleantechnica+%28CleanTechnica%29

Who Benefits If Russian Oil Sanctions End?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
The risk associated with benzene emissions from crankcases and exhaust was the next largest health risk--until EPA and states like California regulated that risk by requiring fuel oxygenates. Gybe has railed against those regulations

mac wrote:
Conservation is the most cost-effective source of energy--another proposition and effort that gybe attacks.


Two more lies. He just never stops. A compulsion of the completely untrustworthy.
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KGB-NP



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrgybe wrote:
mac wrote:
The risk associated with benzene emissions from crankcases and exhaust was the next largest health risk--until EPA and states like California regulated that risk by requiring fuel oxygenates. Gybe has railed against those regulations

mac wrote:
Conservation is the most cost-effective source of energy--another proposition and effort that gybe attacks.


Two more lies. He just never stops. A compulsion of the completely untrustworthy.


Yup, that seems to be the MO around here. If you don't have a position, then Liberals will jump right in and assign you one. Oh ya, after they tell you who and what you hate. It's so unbelievably predictable and stupid that it's laughable. Just consider the demeanor of the source of the accusations, shake head and laugh. The more rabid the accuser, the better the laugh.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NP wrote:
mrgybe wrote:
mac wrote:
The risk associated with benzene emissions from crankcases and exhaust was the next largest health risk--until EPA and states like California regulated that risk by requiring fuel oxygenates. Gybe has railed against those regulations

mac wrote:
Conservation is the most cost-effective source of energy--another proposition and effort that gybe attacks.


Two more lies. He just never stops. A compulsion of the completely untrustworthy.


Yup, that seems to be the MO around here. If you don't have a position, then Liberals will jump right in and assign you one. Oh ya, after they tell you who and what you hate. It's so unbelievably predictable and stupid that it's laughable. Just consider the demeanor of the source of the accusations, shake head and laugh. The more rabid the accuser, the better the laugh.


This is hardly confined to liberals NP. I think a lot of posts here are just simply biased...hmmm!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talking of statements of the obvious, there is a distinct difference between expressing a biased viewpoint and lying.
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