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isobars



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless, of course, you're on starboard. Then the full weight of the federal government says you own the seas, short of avoidably ramming someone.
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tstizzle



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DAMN!!! most of us in the rest of the world would LOVE to have a windsurfing launch that was too crowded... most of the time my sailing companions are homeless people, hypodermics and trash. though, they do pose a risk of their own...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

also the coast gaurd ruled that SUP in the act of surfing is not a vessle but a surfboard(no need for lifejacket whistle or marine law) I assume they would consider other boards in the surf the same way.
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cgoudie1



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't count on that Mr. gorgekite. Parks and Recreation in Utah
have decided that Kiteboards are vessels in Utah and require PFDs, and
they are citing Coast Guard rules as the precedent for ticketing the Kite boarders on Utah lakes.

-Craig


gorgekite wrote:
also the coast gaurd ruled that SUP in the act of surfing is not a vessle but a surfboard(no need for lifejacket whistle or marine law) I assume they would consider other boards in the surf the same way.
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gorgekite



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what I am referring to is a coast Gard ruling on SUP. It said that SUP are vessels and need life jackets and whistles except in the surf where they are not considered vessels. In lakes they are definitely considered vessels. The point I was trying to make is even the coast Gard recognizes that surfing waves is different than being in navigable waters like lakes and rivers.
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gronquist



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamesschmidt said, [quote]"the windsurfer was on the wave far before the kiter was anywhere near the wave and had rights to it."

Those photos are unfortunately all too familiar. If I had a dollar for everytime I was on a wave only to be short-jibed by a kiter upwind, I'd take the fam out to dinner tonight. More often than not I'll give way cuz I just don't like collisions or arguments...

A frequent scenario is I caught the wave deep ocean, wave starts to break, but kiter upwind has short jibed....and is racing around a section and ultimately space for the two of us is not safe. The real estate a windsurfer takes up is waaaay less than the real estate taken by a kite.

If you're going to short jibe, kick out way before it becomes an issue for the guy that caught the swell first. There's nothing more nerve-racking than having a kite thrown down into the pocket of your wave.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I totally understand your point, but I'd get written clarificatiion before
I assumed the CG would classify Kite Boards and SUP Boards as the
same in waves.

-Craig

gorgekite wrote:
what I am referring to is a coast Gard ruling on SUP. It said that SUP are vessels and need life jackets and whistles except in the surf where they are not considered vessels. In lakes they are definitely considered vessels. The point I was trying to make is even the coast Gard recognizes that surfing waves is different than being in navigable waters like lakes and rivers.
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gorgekite



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the only point I was try to make was to the people who want to use marine right of way rules in the surf.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At what point does swell become surf?
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cgoudie1



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the definition of "surf" has to do specifically with a Sea Shore and or reef, so ocean swells become "surf" when they jack up and break.
If it's not an ocean (or sea) development (and I think we're talking 7 seas here not Black or Red Sea), then by classic definition, it can't be surf.

At least that's what the English definition says.

-Craig

isobars wrote:
At what point does swell become surf?


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