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Iceratz



Joined: 16 Feb 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have heard of Kiters trying to cite the Chapter 91 access law in Mass for rights to "fishing, fowling & navigation"

Windsurfers have succeeded here with Coast Guard approval of a windsurf board as a vessel and a floatation device not requiring PFD.

Kiters will never get that privilege due to the craft not supporting/floating riders when unable to sail powered....yet another reason they should be banned from public beaches..
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smann



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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Location: New Jersey Shore

PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we almost lost access to a great spot down here in NJ...
( seaside heights)

Apparently a kiter let their lines cross a little girl in the front of a kayak , and then tightened and knocked her into the water.

as a result they wanted to ban all wind sports, and not allow beach access of any kind.

so far, after an open letter and some talks , it seems like they are willing to let people launch from there.

It really is unfortunate when one or two bad seeds or accidents cause such havok on what should be peacefull coexistance.

side note: a couple years ago a kiter yelled at me on the water that he was going to "beat me with a crow bar" if I didn't get out of his way. He kept jumping about 40 to 50 feet upwind , and would land in directly front of me, he had no clue he was going downwind the second his board came off the water. I don't blame kiting, I blame that dude!

later on the beach a couple other kiters came over to me and apologised for their "friends" beahaviour...


good luck

-=s
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bates



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't mean they are all bad apples, but some sports attract certain types of people. Kiteboarding is a great example
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jkrug



Joined: 30 Apr 2000
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the hatred some of you guys spew towards kiters makes me embarrassed to say i used to windsurf. of course there are dickheads that kite; there are also dickheads that windsurf. (anybody remember 'sailingjoe? he's on your team). we should be fighting these bans together, not fighting each other.

windsurfing can be dangerous to swimmers just as kiteboarding can be. so is driving a car down the street. the only difference is in the numbers; a great majority do not do our sports. let's face it, the general mentality of your average citizen these days (and some windsurfers here, too) is: if i don't like it, it should be banned. if i do like, it should be mandated. the stupidity of this 'logic' is obvious.

banning a sport is almost always an over-reaction for an otherwise simple fix. guys in kiting have gotten access at West Dennis and Chatham when it was threatened. working with the town to get rules/restrictions in place just makes sense. some will still ignore those rules, but let them get penalized, just as a dangerous driver does.

finally, i laughed a bit when i saw someone imply the Masskiting crew are the exceptions to these problems. c'mon guys, you caused the Chatham problems, and your travelling in large packs is what intimidates people. most of that crew ARE good guys, but please, keep it real.
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Iceratz



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jkrug wrote:


windsurfing can be dangerous to swimmers just as kiteboarding can be.


This could not be further from the truth....in that context.
Kiting is FAR more dangerous to: swimmers, beachers, fishermen, ect. ect, than windsurfers...

I support your right to go kiting.
I don't support your right to go kiting where your sport threatens others, or protected wildlife.
PERIOD!
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inlandsea



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

South Village Beach also has a kiting Ban on it and those that are teaching and riding there know it and have been asked to leave more than once.
The days of kiting at west Dennis are numbered.

All Hail the Carolina Skiff!
Hell i might start selling them!

Philip
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Iceratz



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

inlandsea wrote:


All Hail the Carolina Skiff!
Hell i might start selling them!

Philip


I got a Grady White! Cool
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jkrug



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iceratz wrote:

Kiting is FAR more dangerous to: swimmers, beachers, fishermen, ect. ect, than windsurfers...
I support your right to go kiting.
I don't support your right to go kiting where your sport threatens others, or protected wildlife.
PERIOD!


i've seen windsurf sail rigs blowing down the beach and hurting people. i'd rather get hit by a blowing kite than a windsurf mast/boom. and i'm not sure which would hurt more...a swimmer getting hit by a moving kiteboarder or a windsurfer. neither would be much fun. my point was both CAN be dangerous. but since you said otherwise, i guess only your opinion matters.

as for protected wildlife, have you been talking to those plovers lately and they told you they're scared of our kites again? yeah, well i was talking to a whale the other day, and it told me it was really scared of your large windsurf fins. so please, cease and desist. Rolling Eyes
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Iceratz



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jkrug wrote:


my point was both CAN be dangerous..


AGREED!

jkrug wrote:

as for protected wildlife, have you been talking to those plovers lately?


And this is why you are banned elsewhere...you refuse to accept the respect required for bird nesting. In fact many of you kiters seem to think you are not a problem for pretected birds anywhere. This is a legit argument and action taken against you to uphold the Endangered Species Act.
But now you cite whales? Its hard to take you seriously. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
Whales are no where to found where there is windsurfing. (Like I have to explain that)

However nesting birds are found where YOU kite, whether you like it or not.
And you guys want "respect"??? Unbelieveable.
I suppose you don't crush dune grass either.....
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