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scargo
Joined: 19 May 2007 Posts: 235
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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The only thing I'd add (not sure if this has been mentioned) is to make sure you really oversheet as you head down. With smaller stuff in high winds you do this to kill the power and keep control, but with a big sail, it's to keep your sail from slamming into the wind in front of you.
As Z said above, if you're going 24 mph in 12-13 wind, and you head downwind, you're suddenly sailing straight into a headwind. So in addition to really sheeting in, you have to get through the downwind/headwind very quickly, all while being careful not to stomp the rails. Of course, easier said than done when you're trying to heave around a huge sail, which is why if you're only marginally powered (i.e., pump to plane), I find it's next to impossible to plane out with good speed. Look for the gusts, and then fight the tendancy to ride them out and instead head into your jibe the minute they hit so as to take advantage before another lull. As you exit, think about getting into pumping position--and then pump a few times--because you can't just take off like on smaller gear. |
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scargo
Joined: 19 May 2007 Posts: 235
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, and lots of times if I think I'm not going to plane out, I'll opt for a slam jibe. Seems to work fine on bigger stuff, and that way you're not losing distance to windward, which shouldn't be an issue on formula stuff but still can be if you have very little wind and are using a weed fin. |
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lrrry
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 22
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:56 am Post subject: |
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All,
Appreciate all the good comments....sounds like a planing gybe will be difficult... but I guess I'll keep trying.
Getting 3/4 around is easy... oh well.... |
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jingebritsen
Joined: 21 Aug 2002 Posts: 2057
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:29 am Post subject: |
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that's the most common occurrence. 3/4 round means to me not flipping the sail early enough and no enough MFP. again, once the sail is behind you, the likelihood of planing is nil.
over sheeting a very large sail is typically not my bag. rather, flip the sail early. the less power one has, the more one has to throw the sail around. that's an away and forward combined motion. gotta keep the sail leading one thru the turn. _________________ www.aerotechsails.com
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scargo
Joined: 19 May 2007 Posts: 235
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| One more thought. In light wind with big stuff, I'll often do a Spennie (named after a thread from a couple years ago), nothing more than coming out of both straps well before heading into the jibe. The weight being more forward on the board helps maintain the plane. And without the crutch of the forward strap, you're insinctively encouraged to keep your back straight, knees bent, look where you're turning, and the footwork is more delicate. I've had good luck planing out of a Spennie--which works on smaller stuff too--where the traditional jibe wouldn't have worked. |
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sailingjoe
Joined: 06 Aug 2008 Posts: 1087
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | sailingjoe,
At 110 kg, an 11.0 race sail (no more than 5-6 years old) should be fine for you in winds from 10 to at least 18 knots, possibly more if you just point high or run deep. A lot depends on your formula experience (you have to practice in overpowered conditions, running as high and as deep as possible). I don't do this enough and for that reason, I am not nearly as fast as the expert formula sailors. | Yes, it is. I second the opinions expressed in the last two posts, too. If you are racing Formula, get through the gybe as quickly as possible but don't risk falling in the water. With these big sails I will take both feet out of the straps and straddle the board long enough to feel stable and in full control of the sail. These boards are so short and wide, you can pivot them through the turn with little resistance. |
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bred2shred
Joined: 02 May 2000 Posts: 570 Location: Jersey Shore
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Jibing a formual board and full-size formula sail in light wind is very similar to jibing a "regular" board, except your motions need to be more drawn out and precise.
Enter the jibe fully powered and in a puff if possible - this is exactly like a jibe on a traditional board. Speed and power are essential if you want to plane out. Due to the low true windspeed, there will be very little extra sail power available after you start the turn, you'll basically be coasting until you sheet in on the new tack.
One of the most important things is to enter the the jibe from a deep broad reach. You're jibing from broad reach to broad reach rather than from beam reach to beam reach (as you would do on a traditional board). This means you only need to coast through a 90 deg turn rather than a full 180 deg turn. Keep the board relatively flat (i.e. a wide turn rather than a sharp turn). If you crank the board too tight, it will stall. If you turn wide, the extreme width of the formula board will allow you to coast through.
Timing the sail flip is also critical with a lot less margin for error than on a small sail. You need to sail the rig throughout the turn, you can not just crank the board around and flip the rig when you feel like it. If you sheet out too soon, you'll backwind the sail and the board will stop. If you sheet out too late, the sail will get stuck on the "old" tack and when the apparant wind swings behind you, you'll stop.
Also, a step jibe of some sort is more or less required if you want plane thruogh your jibe on a formula board. Going strap to strap is pretty much impossible because of the width of the board.
Nailing jibes on big formula gear takes a lot of practice, but when you finially get it, you'll find that cranking out fully wound planing jibes on flat water in 10mph breeze or less is a lot of fun and very rewarding.
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joethewindsufa

Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 128 Location: Montréal
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MrFish
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 183
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| jingebritsen wrote: | that's the most common occurrence. 3/4 round means to me not flipping the sail early enough and no enough MFP. again, once the sail is behind you, the likelihood of planing is nil.
over sheeting a very large sail is typically not my bag. rather, flip the sail early. the less power one has, the more one has to throw the sail around. that's an away and forward combined motion. gotta keep the sail leading one thru the turn. |
Agree with this, mostly-although I do oversheet a little just before the jibe, just not during it (in light wind). To increase mast foot pressure get your own weight as far forward as possible, rear foot probably at or around front footstrap as you switch. Maybe even right up almost at the mast base at times.
And, in light wind, keep the board flat, don't try to edge it as you would a slalom board, or you kill the speed & maybe round up also.
Make sure the mast is straight up and down, maybe even slightly to windward before the flip, not even a little down to leeward.
So, as soon as you flip the sail, pump the thing hard maybe once or more, but don't disturb the board trim, and don't step back to the rear straps until you're fully powered, and you're sure the tail won't dig in.
That's what I do in light wind, and 11.6 conditions.
As for when I flip, early or late, I'd say the key is to have the sail with no wind in it at all at the exact moment you pass dead downwind, and while you want it there for as short a time as possible, your board angle to the wind determines when you can sheet in on the new tack.
When I jibe a shortboard, I'll often take both hands off the boom, and when the board reaches the right wind angle, the sail is exactly where I want it, and I grab the boom with both hands.
Same thing here angle wise, except I don't take my hands off. You just have to be patient as it takes longer for the board to get there.
If the wind picks up, you can treat an fw more or less like a slalom board, using more of a laydown jibe, but with a big step from rail to rail. |
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MrFish
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 183
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| zirtaeb wrote: | Figure a Formula board, 65+ fin, 11-12 meter sail can hit 24mph in 13mph winds, right? So you carve into your jibe like a regular board, the wind is still 13, and you LOSE the apparent, so your board speed is still higher as you approach straight downwind.
NOW YOU HAVE NO WIND!
That's why it's difficult to plane out of jibes if the winds are under 16mph, regardless of sail size.
Since you learned to pivot jibe a 5 meter sail your second day, do the same with the 12 meter sail, now that you have more sailing time. |
It's not hard to plain through jibes at less than 16 at all even for me and I'm no light weight, and there's no reason anyone needs to pivot jibe in 16, unless they're 230 pounds or so. |
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