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rich1
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 Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Does this sound familiar?
The bonehead on the wave starts heading down the line for his first bottom turn right into the path of the sailor on their way out through the impact zone.
If the poor girl on the way out hadn't yelled profusely (and perhaps profanely) I probably would have been the dick of the week.
To me this is a much more egregious offence than pinching up behind a slower sailor. And yes if I could have found her on the beach or the outside I would have apologized.
All I can say is no harm no foul. When someone does you dirty, let it go, that way your day isn't ruined.
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gerritt
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Location: Redwood City, CA
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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You guys are funny. Check before gype. Should be check before gripe.
Iso sounds old and grumpy - but that's nothing new. If I ever have the displeasure of meeting him, I will give him ROW and sail somewhere else. This guy could bum out an entire venue just by showing up. I'll take 100 kites at my local spot over one of him any day!
Navigation rules are cited by others. Sure, take it to court. That's sure to increase the stoke!
We are all out to have fun. Smile more, throw some spray, and if you have a conflict apologize and talk to the other party on the beach about what happened. If the person on the other side wants to fight, then they are not worth it. Give them their demanded ROW and save yourself the hassle. Karma tends to take care of the rest.
This thread is way too long and needs to die. |
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isobars
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| rich1 wrote: | 1. To me this is a much more egregious offence than pinching up behind a slower sailor.
2. When someone does you dirty, let it go, that way your day isn't ruined. |
I'll award those two smiles of recognition.
1  The two guys who pinched up beneath me in secrecy or when I was already pinching as high as I could in marginal wind and expected me to just jump in the water, or dump my plane and sink, or evaporate as I tearfully apologized for occupying the place and time they wanted to occupy weren't being egregious; what they were being is unrealistic. i.e., It ain't gonna happen the way they imagined. IOW, when I'm doing my reasonable best to give them room and they want more, it's their problem, not mine, and I'm sure as hell not gonna sail a 720 in concession to some stupid rule book he's thumping at me.
2 One dirty, no sweat; that's an accident. Two identical dirties, that's deliberate; let that one go, but figure on making your day the third time he tries the same Dirty. |
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isobars
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| cgoudie1 wrote: | I really hate it when someone pinches up right
into my grill. It's my nature to just give way, but come on, there's plenty
of river out there. |
I assume you're referring to oncoming sailors when you're on starboard. There are many cures to that, my first one being to dive below him long before we're close, for one very self-serving reason: now it's HE who who has the obligation to hold his course, giving me room to play. Win/win: he won some imaginary victory or got wherever it was he wanted to be upwind or to shore, and I got access to row upon row upon row of clear swell below him with no more onus to pay any attention to him. |
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U2U2U2
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Location: Shipsterns Bluff, Tasmania. Colorado
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | | The basic rules of navigation apply whether you are racing or not. You cannot interfere with a power craft in a channel; they have the right of way. You have the right of way on starboard, not on port. The upwind sailor must give right of way to the downwind sailor if on the same tack. On different tacks, the starboard sailor has the right of way. And all sailors have a responsibility to avoid a collision, even if they have the right of way. Better to ditch than to have to repair a board, sail, or internal organ. |
thanks ..nicely put
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isobars
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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I get the impression that some people think it's wrong to expect another sailor coming up from behind and below us, whether we know he's there or not, to avoid us, that his desires give him a right to hit us if we don't bow to his wishes by jumping or sinking into the water. He's God and that's all there is to it.
By that same line of thought, the first guy on a wave should give it up to anyone else who wants it, the guy slogging out through heavy surf should bail so the guy riding that wave inbound can have his way with it, the guy who gets landed on by a wild jumper shouldn't have been there, and if we're bobbing in the water with only our head visible, we'd better duck or else.
Huh? Please explain. |
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NickB
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Location: Alameda, CA
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I feel safer knowing this prick vowed never to step foot in California again. |
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swchandler
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| You know, it's ironic that isobars is the same kind of pest here that he complains so adamantly about on the river. Is he done after the seven posts he's already made? No, I don't think so. His goal is to keep being the pest he loves to be. |
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mac
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Iso also tries to describe the river as if it were surf, and apply surfing rules. He is wrong, hopefully not dead wrong. But when wrong, he gets more shrill. As usual. |
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johnl
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Location: Hood River OR
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| isobars wrote: | I get the impression that some people think it's wrong to expect another sailor coming up from behind and below us, whether we know he's there or not, to avoid us, that his desires give him a right to hit us if we don't bow to his wishes by jumping or sinking into the water. He's God and that's all there is to it.
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Mike, let me explain something you already know. If a guy is downwind of you, his BACK is to you. Which means there is a very good chance he doesn't see you. But if you are upwind of him, then you are looking downwind and can usually see him.
Many times I have no idea that a person is upwind of me (especially if he is really blasting) till I hear them. And that is over the volume of my headphones. So he/she is pretty close by that point. But that person should be aware of what they can see which is everything below them. Unless of course they have some dacron sail from the 80's that they can't see through..... |
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