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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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your facts do not take in the fact that the CIA had over 400 reporters on their payroll, I am willing to bet these CIA personnel said they were liberals, but I am quite certain being a CIA agent put you to the right side of the spectrum.

...........and the basis for that certainty is?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Goldwater and Eisenhower are my definition of true conservatives. What we have now is a conglomeration of Bachman, Newt, Bush and others who've screwed the real meaning and message.

However BajaDean, if you think that it's good that Canada turned Fox away, you have drunk the koolaid. It is good to have a healthy debate from all sides, to make better decisions.

I don't hear many talking about the revolving doors from wall street/banks to capital hill. Solyndra scandals, and leaks from the white house.

IMO, both parties are on this party train wasting precious American resourses, dipping their beaks into the trough. Allowing an entire generation to become wards of the state. Bush and now Obama have failed to be leaders. Both with their failed ideologies.
Well we need USA to have equal media partisan representation.
Canada is doing just fine they seem to have debates not hate propaganda of Fox. Note Rupperts people were just arrested in England for enquirer type tactics that he obviously condoned. Note he did not go on a firing spree to clean house. In fact those that were involved that were caught before were promoted till it became public. And I believe a federal prosecutor in the US should have been put in when it was found his organization tried to bribe a police officer in the USA to hack into dead 9-11 victims.

Also note that Canada recently passed up the USA in wealth per capita.

Solendra was a company that was of right wing and approved all the way under the Bush DOE.

And yes I am upset with Obama for not firing all the federal prosecutors as he came into office that is done by all presidents that I know of. These federal prosecutors and their staffs were the most unqualified, they mainly came from that un-accredieted by most accounts the so called religious university. Yes I am pissed off he did not fire them and replace these right wing idiologs to get some real criminals. After all it was found under Rove that there were about 7 to one investigations against dems when Rove was there pulling the stings, and the only one the got was some guy with 50K in the freezer. When others that they did not go after but were outed, like Ney, Dukester, abromoff were involved in millions of dollars to Abromoff set the record with about 70 million. And working with abramoff were about 200 or so republicans that rove did not go after. Not to mention the billions the GAO reported as disappeared by the contractors in Iraq. You know the charging for full trucks of gas that were empty. And just as normal days a few hundred million here and there by defense contractors who get caught. How about Bushes largest contributor Enron... How many peoples lives did he destroy and these in competent federal prosecutors did not go after. How about that phone jamming scandle when the republicans were jamming a dem phone system for get out the vote on election day, yes three top republicans went to jail, but why did they never go after the person that was being called at the white house that was involved, when Bush was president.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrgybe wrote:
bajaDean wrote:
your facts do not take in the fact that the CIA had over 400 reporters on their payroll, I am willing to bet these CIA personnel said they were liberals, but I am quite certain being a CIA agent put you to the right side of the spectrum.

...........and the basis for that certainty is?

here is another one, where do you think these syops people work after leaving the military, ACLU?
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The CNN and NPR Interns Incident
In the 1990s it came to light that PSYOP soldiers had been interning at the American news networks Cable News Network (CNN) and National Public Radio (NPR). The program was claimed by the Army to be an attempt to provide its PSYOPers with the expertise developed by the private sector under its "Training with Industry" program, the program caused concern about the influence these soldiers might have on American news and the programs were terminated.

Here is what National Public Radio reported on April 10, 2000:

The U.S. Army's Psychological Operations unit placed interns at CNN and NPR in 1998 and 1999. The placements at CNN were reported in the European press in February of this year and the program was terminated. The NPR placements will be reported this week in TV Guide.[1]
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Operation MOCKINGBIRD.

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Journalism is a perfect cover for CIA agents. People talk freely to journalists, and few think suspiciously of a journalist aggressively searching for information. Journalists also have power, influence and clout. Not surprisingly, the CIA began a mission in the late 1940s to recruit American journalists on a wide scale, a mission it dubbed Operation MOCKINGBIRD. The agency wanted these journalists not only to relay any sensitive information they discovered, but also to write anti-communist, pro-capitalist propaganda when needed.
The instigators of MOCKINGBIRD were Frank Wisner, Allan Dulles, Richard Helms and Philip Graham. Graham was the husband of Katherine Graham, today’s publisher of the Washington Post. In fact, it was the Post’s ties to the CIA that allowed it to grow so quickly after the war, both in readership and influence. (Cool
MOCKINGBIRD was extraordinarily successful. In no time, the agency had recruited at least 25 media organizations to disseminate CIA propaganda. At least 400 journalists would eventually join the CIA payroll, according to the CIA’s testimony before a stunned Church Committee in 1975. (The committee felt the true number was considerably higher.) The names of those recruited reads like a Who's Who of journalism:
• Philip and Katharine Graham (Publishers, Washington



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

• Philip and Katharine Graham (Publishers, Washington Post)

• William Paley (President, CBS)

• Henry Luce (Publisher, Time and Life magazine)

• Arthur Hays Sulzberger (Publisher, N.Y. Times)

• Jerry O'Leary (Washington Star)

• Hal Hendrix (Pulitzer Prize winner, Miami News)

• Barry Bingham Sr., (Louisville Courier-Journal)

• James Copley (Copley News Services)

• Joseph Harrison (Editor, Christian Science Monitor)

• C.D. Jackson (Fortune)

• Walter Pincus (Reporter, Washington Post)

• ABC

• NBC

• Associated Press

• United Press International

• Reuters

• Hearst Newspapers

• Scripps-Howard

• Newsweek magazine

• Mutual Broadcasting System

• Miami Herald

• Old Saturday Evening Post

• New York Herald-Tribune
Perhaps no newspaper is more important to the CIA than the Washington Post, one of the nation’s most right-wing dailies. Its location in the nation’s capitol enables the paper to maintain valuable personal contacts with leading intelligence, political and business figures. Unlike other newspapers, the Post operates its own bureaus around the world, rather than relying on AP wire services. Owner Philip Graham was a military intelligence officer in World War II, and later became close friends with CIA figures like Frank Wisner, Allen Dulles, Desmond FitzGerald and Richard Helms. He inherited the Post by marrying Katherine Graham, whose father owned it.
After Philip’s suicide in 1963, Katharine Graham took over the Post. Seduced by her husband’s world of government and espionage, she expanded her newspaper’s relationship with the CIA. In a 1988 speech before CIA officials at Langley, Virginia, she stated:
We live in a dirty and dangerous world. There are some things that the general public does not need to know and shouldn’t. I believe democracy flourishes when the government can take legitimate steps to keep its secrets and when the press can decide whether to print what it knows.
This quote has since become a classic among CIA critics for its belittlement of democracy and its admission that there is a political agenda behind the Post’s headlines.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps no newspaper is more important to the CIA than the Washington Post, one of the nation’s most right-wing dailies. Its location in the nation’s capitol enables the paper to maintain valuable personal contacts with leading intelligence, political and business figures. Unlike other newspapers, the Post operates its own bureaus around the world, rather than relying on AP wire services. Owner Philip Graham was a military intelligence officer in World War II, and later became close friends with CIA figures like Frank Wisner, Allen Dulles, Desmond FitzGerald and Richard Helms. He inherited the Post by marrying Katherine Graham, whose father owned it.
After Philip’s suicide in 1963, Katharine Graham took over the Post. Seduced by her husband’s world of government and espionage, she expanded her newspaper’s relationship with the CIA. In a 1988 speech before CIA officials at Langley, Virginia, she stated:
We live in a dirty and dangerous world. There are some things that the general public does not need to know and shouldn’t. I believe democracy flourishes when the government can take legitimate steps to keep its secrets and when the press can decide whether to print what it knows.
This quote has since become a classic among CIA critics for its belittlement of democracy and its admission that there is a political agenda behind the Post’s headlines.
Ben Bradlee was the Post’s managing editor during most of the Cold War. He worked in the U.S. Paris embassy from 1951 to 1953, where he followed orders by the CIA station chief to place propaganda in the European press. (9) Most Americans incorrectly believe that Bradlee personifies the liberal slant of the Post, given his role in publishing the Pentagon Papers and the Watergate investigations. But neither of these two incidents are what they seem. The Post merely published the Pentagon Papers after The New York Times already had, because it wanted to appear competitive. As for Watergate, we’ll examine the CIA’s reasons for wanting to bring down Nixon in a moment. Someone once asked Bradlee: "Does it irk you when The Washington Post is made out to be a bastion of slanted liberal thinkers instead of champion journalists just because of Watergate?" Bradlee responded: "Damn right it does!" (10)
It would be impossible to elaborate in this short space even the most important examples of the CIA/media alliance. Sig Mickelson was a CIA asset the entire time he was president of CBS News from 1954 to 1961. Later he went on to become president of Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty, two major outlets of CIA propaganda.
The CIA also secretly bought or created its own media companies. It owned 40 percent of the Rome Daily American at a time when communists were threatening to win the Italian elections. Worse, the CIA has bought many domestic media companies. A prime example is Capital Cities, created in 1954 by CIA businessman William Casey (who would later become Reagan’s CIA director). Another founder was Lowell Thomas, a close friend and business contact with CIA Director Allen Dulles. Another founder was CIA businessman Thomas Dewey. By 1985, Capital Cities had grown so powerful that it was able to buy an entire TV network: ABC.
For those who believe in "separation of press and state," the very idea that the CIA has secret propaganda outlets throughout the media is appalling. The reason why America was so oblivious to CIA crimes in the 40s and 50s was because the media willingly complied with the agency. Even today, when the immorality of the CIA should be an open-and-shut case, "debate" about the issue rages in the media. Here is but one example:
In 1996, The San Jose Mercury News published an investigative report suggesting that the CIA had sold crack in Los Angeles to fund the Contra war in Central America. A month later, three of the CIA’s most important media allies — The Washington Post, The New York Times and The Los Angeles Times — immediately leveled their guns at the Mercury report and blasted away in an attempt to discredit it. Who wrote the Post article? Walter Pincus, longtime CIA journalist. The dangers here are obvious.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bajaDean wrote:
all the people who were on air america as a whole were very good

anyone working for fox alone is a partisan right winger

Nothing personal, but your first statement above is so insane it blocks out anything else you might say. And implying that Geraldo, Juan Williams, Bob Beckel, et.al. are right wingers places you far, FAR to the left of Soros, Mark, Lenin, Chomsky, Maher, Fonda, etc., giving me the impression that, despite your extensive reading, you don't even understand how far left that list is.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bajaDean wrote:
Perhaps no newspaper is more important to the CIA than the Washington Post, one of the nation’s most right-wing dailies.

Clearly you know nothing about the Washington Post or the Agency. I smell a troll.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what liberal would have any problem with disclosure...

In fact it was argued to have citizens united by the right wing. and all the right wing justistices agreed.

obviously it is a right wing owned media when they recently tried to stop the FCC over political ad reporting.... NAB is run by the broadcasters. not by liberals


http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/175314/nab-sues-fcc-over-political-ad-reporting.html#ixzz1vcHG9MDP

NAB Sues FCC Over Political Ad Reporting
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The National Association of Broadcasters wants to stop the Federal Communications Commission's proposed rules around political advertising disclosure -- and it is taking the regulatory group to court.

The new FCC proposal would require TV stations to reveal the advertising rates they charge to political candidates and political issue advertisers on a special Web site.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobras wrote:
bajaDean wrote:
all the people who were on air america as a whole were very good

anyone working for fox alone is a partisan right winger

Nothing personal, but your first statement above is so insane it blocks out anything else you might say. And implying that Geraldo, Juan Williams, Bob Beckel, et.al. are right wingers places you far, FAR to the left of Soros, Mark, Lenin, Chomsky, Maher, Fonda, etc., giving me the impression that, despite your extensive reading, you don't even understand how far left that list is.


what ever you say my friend... again if you think Fox is not politically righty partisan with a right wing aganda of no other network in the history of man kind... you my friend are the insane one if you can not figure that out...
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http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/politicalwhore/tag/william-dean-singleton/
‘Bark at the dark:’ Media boss says old days ain’t coming back
Posted by Wayne Garcia on Jun. 11, 2008, at 9:33 am
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William Dean Singleton, whose media company owns such papers as the Denver Post, recently gave a brutally frank assessment of the current state of print journalism and its failed business model in a speech in Sweden. (Yes, the same Dean Singleton who referred to Barack Obama as “Obama bin Laden.” Yes, the same Dean Singleton who is a Friend O’ Bush. And yes, the same man the NYT once called “the industry’s leading skinflint” who is now viewed in a more favorable light and is chairman of the AP.)
The upshot: 19 of top 50 newspapers are losing money, and in the future, there will be only two types of newspapers in the U.S. — the quick and the dead.
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