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ChopEater



Joined: 28 Aug 2008
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Location: Central NJ, USA

PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
ChopEater,
Are you using a harness? If yes, you need to focus more on relaxing your hands and sheeting out or in to control the gusts rather than a "death grip" on the boom.
Harness yes... and I practice a light touch on the boom at speed. My biggest problem now is the waters so cold I'm wearing Diving boots that feel like they won't release from the footstraps when punted by a rogue gust...so I'm just standing atop the board. I'm trying a new pair of Atan Madissons tomorrow and going for the straps...they should release easier, and improve my confidence.

techno900 wrote:

Breaking 30 mph can be tough for novice windsurfers and even intermediates, but I would expect you to be going faster than your GPS indicates.
....
yes... a JP Supersport, Ezzy 7.0, and 25 MPH winds are all the tools you need to break 30... just need to get everything playing together...
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scargo



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To state the obvious, if you aren't in the straps you can't get much speed (unless you're Whitey showing off).
When wearing boots, don't just loosen the staps, try moving the screws out to wider hole locations. You want the strap holding the top of your foot more than the sides.
But do break the habit of riding atop the board. Plowing through gusts is an acquired skill, and with enough practice, you'll find that even the strongest gust can't dislodge you. When I see one coming, I think about sinking as low as I can in the harness. Think of the tug-of-war position. This also rakes the mast back, dramatically reducing the wind's leverage, and puts on a lot of MFP. And of course you can pinch upwind like crazy, which ends up being money in the bank that can be dispersed during the next lull.
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ChopEater



Joined: 28 Aug 2008
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Location: Central NJ, USA

PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scargo wrote:
To state the obvious, if you aren't in the straps you can't get much speed You want the strap holding the top of your foot more than the sides.
working on the straps now to widen them a screw hole...from what I've read on the internet you want only about 1 inch of boot visible.
scargo wrote:

But do break the habit of riding atop the board. Plowing through gusts is an acquired skill, and with enough practice, you'll find that even the strongest gust can't dislodge you. ....
ok...awesome...I'm going to repeat to myself... "even the strongest gust can't dislodge you... I'll probably be unable to upload Fri/Sat, but will and upload any pertinant GPS data before Mon... hope it shows 30mph+! Did feel comfy in the straps at 18mph barefooted,.,but had light winds.
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SweetwaterDave



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To joethewindsufa the experiment went great. I gave the 6.6 extra downhaul and went out. There were times that I was hanging on for dear life, enjoying the bracing Wisconsin October water, and sometimes needed to jump out of the straps when the gusts let off. It would be my belief that the more modern sail was the better choice despite being a little big for the conditions. I am just learning to use the straps, and when I am not successful I wonder if it is because I don't have enough sail/wind or skill level. Power was not the problem, and I found it to be the easiest to get in the straps than I have experienced. It was truly awesome! I know this is a controversial subject and don't want to redirect this thread, but for what it's worth, I found that if I got in the rear strap first, the board became controlled, felt balanced, and I could get into the front strap easily. Iso-- I definitely learned something in these challenging conditions and can't wait to get out again in high winds. I will get a smaller modern sail so I will be ready for the next opportunity.
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ChopEater



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SweetwaterDave wrote:
.... I gave the 6.6 extra downhaul and went out. There were times that I was hanging on for dear life
Seems familiar...I found you can widen the sails wind range quite a bit with outhaul, tight to let out some power if way overpowered, loose to extract all the power available....

SweetwaterDave wrote:
but for what it's worth, I found that if I got in the rear strap first, the board became controlled, felt balanced,...
That back strap is now my nemisis... My SuperSports back strap is so far outside my heel drags in the water when attempting to get in (maybe if I bank the board downwind when getting in the rear strap....well thats my next project.)

Here's my latest GPS data ripslogging.... it's getting better but I'm only in the front strap... with about 8-12 inch chop too, I think the harness is bruising my speen Smile... like a mechanical bull ride



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FreakDrew



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long-time midwestern gusty weather lake sailor (inland & Great), I would suggest to anyone looking for a comfortable ride in gusty weather that they take a look at Hot Super Freaks.

They are dacron (of a far better quality than 30 years ago) with a kevlar "frame". They do a fantastic job of taking the edge off the gusts, and you don't feel beat up after a session. They are fast, but they ease into their speed... it's like they have a clutch Smile

I've been using mine since 2005, and I can honestly say I wouldn't want any other sails, even if they were free.

Drew (not sponsored or anything, just a really happy customer!)
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boardsurfr



Joined: 23 Aug 2001
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChopEater, the SuperSport is not the best board to learn getting into the straps. A board that would allow more inboard back straps would make your life easier and let you sail faster.

On the SuperSport, the first thing to try is to move the straps more to the inside. If you can't move the straps inboard, try making them larger. That will make it easier to get into the straps. Freestyle and wave sailors sometimes have them so large that you slip in up to the shins (you may not want to make them quite that wide, but even a bit helps). You may have to unscrew the straps, and move the screws to the the holes on the outside of the straps.

Once you get the hang of getting into the rear strap, you can move it more outboard again and make it smaller.

As for the "mechanical bull ride" in chop: bend your knees!
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ChopEater



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:43 pm    Post subject: Even more progression Reply with quote

boardsurfr wrote:
ChopEater, the SuperSport is not the best board to learn getting into the straps. A board that would allow more inboard back straps would make your life easier and let you sail faster. ...
As for the "mechanical bull ride" in chop: bend your knees!
Thank you Boardsurfr... will widen the straps even more and absorb the Pritchard lesson.

Fighting those straps tooth and nail... Heres my latest session... (muscles still recovering) Wind howling, 8.5 Ezzy race sail, 126 JP Supersport, I'm about 170lbs/77kg, fresh, first runs of the day, helmet on, balls to the wall, in front strap only, no backing off this time...GPS smoothing off... somewhat in control: accelerated to 15 on nice flatwater then a nuclear gust propelled me to warp 10 (35+mph) on 12" choppy water for a few seconds. (immediately headed in for a smaller, more sane sail)

Highly recommend adjustable outhaul to inflate sail for downwind and flatten it for upwind performance.



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isobars



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SweetwaterDave wrote:
I definitely learned something in these challenging


It's pretty tough to learn when we're NOT being challenged. If the environment isn't inherently challenging, it's up to us to challenge our boundaries by trying things we can't do .. yet.

Mike \m/
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