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capetonian



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
Side note: When sailing Santa Barbara this spring, my board was covered in oil. A mess. I don't have that problem in Malibu.

Subsequently found out that this is natural seepage. The Chumash indians used this oil for their boats and waterproofing huts etcetera.

Hey Steve, I think it makes sense to produce that oil, but I seriously doubt it will have any impact on the seepage for thousands of years, if ever. Oil has been produced offshore Santa Barbara since 1958 with no visible difference on seepage. The oil reservoirs are located at 8,000 to 14,000 feet below the surface, and oil can take thousands of years to migrate to the surface, depending on the path of natural fissures it takes, which can also result in the oil seeping onto the surface hundreds of miles from the original reservoir.
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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you are correct Phil, but I heard a discussion on the issue, which seemed compelling at the time. Their are lobbyists on both sides, and quite frankly I'm not sure that science is any longer science, if you know what I mean.

The fact that American Indians used the seeping oil for thousands of years is evidence that much or all of it is natural.

Everyone agrees that an oil spill on the California coast would be tragic and unacceptable. Unlike the Japanese nuclear disaster, we'd be slightly better off than they are though.

I really liked your electric car comparision in the other thread. Once again, I'm sure we all agree that it would be nice to power everything with solar panels. I have a friend who owns wind turbines in Tehachapi, and he says it's not all that eco friendly.
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capetonian



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
I really liked your electric car comparision in the other thread. Once again, I'm sure we all agree that it would be nice to power everything with solar panels. I have a friend who owns wind turbines in Tehachapi, and he says it's not all that eco friendly.


Wind turbines are great if you are not a bird and don't live anywhere near the turbines so don't have your view blocked by them (any Kennedys on this thread?).

Despite my cynicism I fully support alternative energy as I believe a) the way global demand for energy is growing we will need every source of energy we can get apart from coal, and b) coal is really bad stuff from a pollution perspective, but we are going to need it for a really long time. Apart from wind and solar there are currently no commercial scale alternative energy sources that are close to achieving commerciality. Lots of niche technologies are being developed, but nothing with scale or close to fruition.

Maybe we should give all the Montecino residents a choice - we either drill for oil in their backyard, or we erect a thousand wind turbines 500 yards offshore their private beach. Twisted Evil I don't really care which one they choose, as long as they choose.
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mrgybe



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Capetonian, Thank you for your last few posts ref the carbon business and it's alternatives. They have been informative. Nice to see facts and opinions presented on the topic without invective.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all the money in Montecito, it's virtually impossible to do anything that they're against. The perfect example is the long delayed widening of the 101. As a result, local residents on the south coast pay a steep price when LA is on the move.
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mac



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Discovered an interesting source today, Steve LeVine, who blogs on the Foreign Policy magazine site. That organization seems to be relatively non-partisan, with critiques (not attacks) of Obama's foreign policy. Ricks, who wrote "Fiasco" about Iraq, and is well respected within the military establishment, writes for them. http://www.foreignpolicy.com/about_us

LeVine wrote "The Oil and the Glory", so has substantial expertise in the field without being paid by one of the carbon guys. This line in a book review caught my eye, and seemed appropriate for this title:

"Yergin spares Big Oil titnas such as former Exxon Mobil Chief Executive Officer Lee Raymond-in the 1990's probably the most disagreeable executive on the oil patch-...

Now that is the Exxon that I remember. If you want to see analysis of energy policy and what it means in foreign policy, from someone who knows the the oil industry but doesn't own Exxon stock, you might try his blog.
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