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pueno



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Fick-shun wrote:
Are you not worried about ISIS in the foreseeable future, or do you just believe we can wait until "They're heeeere" before taking overt action?

That's PRECISELY the argument that progressives have been making about global warming and climate change. We should not wait until "it's heeeere" to take action, because by then it's too late.

It is indeed amusing to see your pretzel posture about ISIL and a totally twisted posture about climate change.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bard--I scoff at spin, you should know that by now:

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March/ April/ May 2014
Oops: The Texas Miracle That Isn’t
Conservatives say the Lone Star state’s recent record of growth validates their economic agenda. That record crumbles upon inspection.

By Phillip Longman (Senior editor, Washington Monthly)

Is Texas our future? The question got kicked around during the last presidential campaign when Texas Governor Rick Perry was briefly riding high. Everywhere Perry went he appealed to Republican primary voters by describing what he called the “Texas Miracle.” As Perry told conservative talk show host Glenn Beck, “Since June 2009, about 48 percent of all the jobs created in America were in Texas. Come add to it.” In his stump speech Perry would click off what he said were the four major reasons his state had come to lead the nation in job creation—without ever forgetting a one of them. They were, he said, low taxes, low regulation, tort reform, and “don’t spend all the money.”

Perry’s prospects in that political season quickly faded, of course, after that moment—instantly viral—when he froze during a debate while trying to remember which three federal cabinet agencies he had vowed to eliminate. Neither his cringe-inducing exclamation of “oops” nor his subsequent explanations that he had experienced a “brain fart” while distracted by Mitt Romney’s smile were enough to save his candidacy.

But the debate over whether Texas has anything important to teach the rest of America has continued to build. One reason is that even though Perry didn’t get to replace Barack Obama in the White House, he has continued to boast about his Texas Miracle, including in radio ads that have caused an uproar everywhere they’ve aired across the country. “Building a business is tough, but I hear building a business in California is next to impossible,” Perry intones in one, before pitching California businesses to move to Texas. In another, he announces, “I have a word of advice for employers frustrated by Illinois’s shortsighted approach to business. You need to get out while there is still time. The escape route leads straight to Texas.”

When Perry launched a similar radio campaign attacking New York for excessive regulation and inviting its businesses to “Go Big in Texas,” he inspired the comedian Lewis Black to strike back with a “Don’t F*** with NY” video that aired on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. “You say we got too much regulation,” Black countercharged. “We’ve got Wall Street. They break the law for a living and never get punished.”

Yet that observation wasn’t enough to prevent more and more rank-and-file conservatives, along with a growing number of nonpartisan observers, both in and out of Texas, from also taking up talk of the Texas Miracle. Among conservatives, a typical formulation contrasts Texas with the supposedly failed state of California. For example, Chuck DeVore, a Republican member of the California State Assembly before decamping in disgust for the Lone Star State, has a new book out entitled The Texas Model: Prosperity in the Lone Star State and Lessons for America. In it, DeVore explains that

Texas spends less, taxes less, sues less, and secures for their people the liberty to earn a living, keep more of what they earn, and live where they want. Is it any wonder that for more than ten years, Americans have been moving to Texas while Californians have been fleeing as fast as they can sell their home and pack? Texas and California represent two opposing versions of the American Dream, one based on liberty, the other, government.
The idea that vast numbers of Americans are “voting with their feet” for liberty and prosperity by abandoning blue states and moving to Texas has become conservative gospel.
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So what is the explanation for that riddle? Here’s a stab. As we’ve seen, the flow of native-born Americans moving to Texas has been quite modest over the last generation, and for good reason. Few native-born Americans could lower their taxes, or raise their standard of living, by moving there. But Texas population has nonetheless boomed due to two main factors: immigration from abroad, mostly Mexico, and a birthrate that is the second highest in the nation after Utah.

Both come with challenges. Texas leads the nation, for example, in the percentage of teenagers with multiple children. And one factor driving down Texas’s per capita income is simply a compositional effect of having a high and rising percent of its population comprised of young, low-skilled, recent immigrants.

But regardless of its sources, population growth fuels economic growth. It swells the supply and lowers the cost of labor, while at the same time adding to the demand for new products and services. As the population of Texas swelled by more than 24 percent from 2000 to 2013, so did the demand for just about everything, from houses to highways to strip malls. And this, combined with huge new flows of oil and gas dollars, plus increased trade with Mexico, favored Texas with strong job creation numbers.
But this model of economic development, which also combines a highly regressive tax system with minimal levels of public investment, has not allowed Texas to keep up with America’s best-performing states in per capita income or rates of upward mobility. And that’s what most people, including in Texas, most want the economy to deliver. The real Texas miracle is that its current leaders get away with bragging about it.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pueno wrote:
Mr. Fick-shun wrote:
Are you not worried about ISIS in the foreseeable future, or do you just believe we can wait until "They're heeeere" before taking overt action?

That's PRECISELY the argument that progressives have been making about global warming and climate change. We should not wait until "it's heeeere" to take action, because by then it's too late.

It is indeed amusing to see your pretzel posture about ISIL and a totally twisted posture about climate change.

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LOL, this is rich, I've yet to see anybody have their head sliced off by climate change.
Yikes, could you just imagine, all these sun rays slicing down thru the heavens and taking off heads, women and children wouldn't be spared, blood everywhere, it might even make the front page of the Huffington Post!!!
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No doubt the fool has bought into Climate Change. Of course there is climate change, but we'd better get the Chinese on board before we snuff out our failing economy even more.

Pueno, you act like this will be a catastrophe. Like I've said before, I'd rather spend money on asteroid research because one of them could snuff us all out in 30 seconds. (but there are no campaign fundraisers associated with asteroids.... Embarassed
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
there are no campaign fundraisers associated with asteroids.... Embarassed

Only the DoD, if that.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
...I'd rather spend money on asteroid research...


You should, Mr. BS, you should. Your money would be well-spent. Laughing Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is what happens when Republicans actually enact their radical agenda

Compromise usually muddies the waters. Not this time...

A persistent elite Washington trope, embodied by folks like Ron Fournier, says that bipartisanship is the key missing ingredient in our system of government. The two parties just need to stop their partisan bickering and join hands to hammer out serious, substantive compromises (read: slash social insurance).

It's certainly the case that because of U.S. constitutional design, compromise is necessary during times of divided government — and the ones who won't do it are ultraconservative Republicans. But there's another model of governance that gets short shrift among the lovers of bipartisanship: letting election winners implement their agenda. By providing clear lines of accountability and making clear who is responsible for which policy, allowing an election winner to govern makes democracy work.

We see this today in Kansas of all places, where Governor Sam Brownback is in an unexpectedly tight reelection race:

"Although every statewide elected official in Kansas is a Republican and President Obama lost the state by more than 20 points in the last election, Mr. Brownback's proudly conservative policies have turned out to be so divisive and his tax cuts have generated such a drop in state revenue that they have caused even many Republicans to revolt. Projections put state budget shortfalls in the hundreds of millions of dollars annually, raising questions of whether the state can adequately fund education in particular." [The New York Times]

Brownback's tax cuts were passed back in 2012 with the help of Arthur Laffer, the conservative policy hand who has made his career insisting in the teeth of contrary evidence that tax cuts increase revenue. Multiple experts warned that the Brownback/Laffer plan would actually crater the state revenue collection, but Brownback ignored them and did what he wanted. The results are in, and it turns out when you cut taxes you decrease revenue:

"Kansas has a problem. In April and May, the state planned to collect $651 million from personal income tax. But instead, it received only $369 million." [The New York Times]

Naturally, the cuts have required more cuts to critical government services, and most of the tax benefits have been vacuumed up by the rich. Worse still, the promised job-creating effects have also failed to appear. On the contrary, Kansas has actually been performing worse than its neighbors on the jobs front.

In short, movement conservatism produces garbage economic policy. But the beauty is, now that fact is obvious to almost everyone in Kansas, including a bunch of Republicans. To his credit, Brownback actually believed in his ideas and put them in place. He is now paying the price for taking that risk.

Contrast that to the elite DC idea of bipartisanship, in which the ancient grandees from both parties get together, and through the magic of high-minded civil discussion, iron out a compromise to cut Social Security and Medicare, preferably by enough to be called a "Grand Bargain." This has the not-coincidental effect of making it impossible for most people to figure out who is responsible for what — and very easy for either side to spin negative consequences as the other side's fault.

Now, Brownback may well pull out a victory in the end. But Kansas is a very conservative state, and he ought to be cruising to a huge reelection. Future Republicans my well try to jam through similar tax policies copy-pasted from a conservative think tank's guide to enriching the wealthy, but the colossal failure of the Brownback cuts will surely give them pause.

Government by the permanent DC establishment used to at least keep the country on two legs, but with ideologically well-sorted parties, one of them increasingly extreme, it's come perilously close to breaking down multiple times. When considering reforms to the structure of government, as I believe will be necessary sometime in the future, we should keep in mind stories like this one. Democracy works best when the voters have meaningful and comprehensible choices.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac,

What a shocking revelation, the economy is booming in Texas because of the influx of illegals and the above average birth rate. Wow, now we know how to push the country's economy into orbit. Cut out the birth control and open the borders.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
Mac,

What a shocking revelation, the economy is booming in Texas because of the influx of illegals and the above average birth rate. Wow, now we know how to push the country's economy into orbit. Cut out the birth control and open the borders.


And don't forget to outlaw abortions, because we need all the people we can get to boost the economy.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Techno--read a little more carefully. This is not an accurate summary of the article:

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the economy is booming


The article said population is booming, in many indicators the economy is weak and very inequitable. But some people like it like that.

Back on topic, many have identified the players behind the Tea Party as "astro turf" rather than "grass roots", pushing a corporate oligarchy agenda. One of the worst offenders is ALEC. The word is out, and people are abandoning these oligarchy apologists.

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After the 2010 elections, the American Legislative Exchange Council was arguably at the height of its power. Though it had been around since the 1970s (President George W. Bush is pictured at ALEC's 2005 annual meeting above), Republican wins in statehouses across the nation that year gave the group an outsized influence in policymaking. Its model legislation covered everything from Stand Your Ground laws to new voter ID requirements and popped up everywhere.

But these few years of prominence seem to be catching up to ALEC as it has enthusiastically pursued its mission to, in the words of one liberal watchdog to the New York Times: "Bring together corporations and state legislators to draft profit-driven, anti-public-interest legislation."

Starting in 2012, less than two years after ALEC allies seized power in state legislatures, the group's corporate partners have undergone a mass exodus, at times for their own ideological reasons, other times under public pressure. And by some counts, more than two dozen companies have severed their ties.

That exodus has continued into this week, as Google chairman Eric Schmidt said Monday that his company would leave ALEC over climate change. Below is an exhaustive -- but likely not comprehensive -- list of the major businesses that have left the group and why.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/alec-exodus-companies-list

Exxon, to be sure, remains a supporter.
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