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mac
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This is too rich a moment to let go sliding by. We have the new Republicans sounding exactly like the Nixon Whitehouse. Does anyone else remember John Dean's line about situational ethics? Lying is ok if there is a larger societal benefit? We have a defense of Senator Kyl because it wasn't that wrong. Well, yes it was, and Planned Parenthood can't use Federal money for abortions in any event. So the situation that makes lying ok is anything that attacks Obama or libs is ok.
I noticed no defense from the hard rights about the Mississippi Republicans. Maybe you should watch this clip: http://prince.org/msg/8/322105 |
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mat-ty
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It is also crazy that people spend a small fortune, travel around the globe, and wait years to adopt babies, when we have plenty of babies , and could have plenty more available, right here in the US. And for the record republicans are not against entitlement programs, they just do not think it should be a CAREER CHOICE! |
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mrgybe
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| isobars wrote: | | PP's own figures show that 97.6% of their pregnant patients get aborted. If that's not an abortion mill, what is? |
To give that some context..........it seems that in 2009 about 340,000 women went to PP for advice and counsel on a pregnancy. Of that 340,000 about 7,000 received pre-natal services...........333,000 received an abortion. That's pretty shocking. |
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windoggi
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how's the quote go? "If men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament"
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mac
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Facts are readily available: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
About 20% of pregnancies are terminated, mostly because they are unwanted (surprise) pregnancies. The vast majority of the population thinks that the choice about whether to have an abortion is solely that of the pregnant woman, although there is little support for late term abortions.
What part of encouraging birth control by Planned Parenthood is a bad idea? Folks like mrgybe are quick to say they want less government--except when they want government to back their faith-based views about abortion, global warming, firing teachers etc. |
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mat-ty
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIurhzWUzWk
this is a great song off one of the best rock albums in the last twenty years, Southern Rock Opera, by the Drive by Truckers, the song is called southern thing, and its about peoples misconceptions of people from the south, don,t worry like most artist, these guys are leftys.
The album is about the relationship between Neil Young and Lynard Skynard. |
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swchandler
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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"To give that some context..........it seems that in 2009 about 340,000 women went to PP for advice and counsel on a pregnancy. Of that 340,000 about 7,000 received pre-natal services...........333,000 received an abortion. That's pretty shocking."
Shocking to religious folks that can't accept the law that's it's a woman's right to choose, Planned Parenthood aside. If the truth were told, they're probably against contraception too.
For some real context, how many women in this country elected to have their child? I'd easy venture to say that the greatest majority of women that get pregnant wanted to have a child. Why get twisted and off-the-top about a very small minority of women who get pregnant and ultimately elect not to have the child?
What's pretty shocking to me is the bold arrogance of religious folks who want to control our society, and all those in it, based on their narrow minded primitive beliefs. |
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DanWeiss
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| mat-ty wrote: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIurhzWUzWk
this is a great song off one of the best rock albums in the last twenty years, Southern Rock Opera, by the Drive by Truckers, the song is called southern thing, and its about peoples misconceptions of people from the south, don,t worry like most artist, these guys are leftys.
The album is about the relationship between Neil Young and Lynard Skynard. |
Pretty good song, Matt. Having lived a few feet from a former slave county for four years I must disagree with the generalizations made in that song.
He says the Southern Thing is not about racism (any longer) and that he's a great guy and all that. I'm sure he wouldn't step on an ant regardless of color, but to suggest that the entire country's understanding of the Civil War (still known in some parts as the Northern War, believe it or not) is wrong is simply out to lunch.
The Civil War was entirely about slavery and racism, just from different starting points. The Northern economy was built by slave trade and labor -especially true around our parts. The push to war was motivated both by a social justice element and by companies in the North wishing to crush business in the south more effectively competing due to slave labor. The issue within Federalism was itself defined by the Confederacy as the right for states to authorize slavery. Eleven slave states comprised the Confederacy, not a single free state agreed to secede.
People sporting the Confederate Battle flag need to understand that it conveys exactly the same thing as if trucks decorated with the Nazi Swastika were rolling through town. Sure, not everyone in the Confederate South was a bigot and certainly most did not own slaves if only b/c most in the South were slaves! If people then thought they needed to fight an invading army they were, at best, ignorant of the world in which they lived. I harbor no resentment to anyone who fought on either side of the Civil War. Understandings were very different than today, and I'm not convinced that Gen. Lee would have burned a cross even if it had been in fashion at the time.
However, those who defend "The South" and define "The South" as having a heritage tied to that damn flag are intentionally linking themselves to the violent defense of the right to own other people as property. That was the position of the Confederacy regardless of how inconvenient that might be for some people.
Americans have absolutely no problem of assigning personal blame to every German who stood by and did not object to the slaughter of millions of people who did not fit into the Third Reich's idea of acceptability. The Germans themselves underwent a gut wrenching experience coming to grips with what they allowed to happen, what they actually voted for. But certain people in the southern and mid-western United States seem to want an exception to that judgment.
Neil Young's Southern Man directly criticized the the searing racism in the past from his view in 1970. Remember, Martin Luther King, Jr. had been assassinated only two years before, and only seven years after Bull Connor turned the fire hoses and attack dogs on people marching for the end of segregation and arrested nearly 1,000 kids as young as six years-old.
Yes, some people in the South marched and died on behalf of true freedom in their own communities. But not most. Neil Young wrote about his thoughts on the matter contemporaneously. The people who, today, think Young was saying nothing but drivel need to get back to studying the history books. So does everyone who promotes the public display of the Confederate Battle flag for non-historical or educational purposes.
Not a racist? Great. Don't literally fly the flag of racism. Even the Cowboy Truckers know that. Or not. |
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mat-ty
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| Dan it's just a song, take the night off, kick back and relax. Nothing like some good tunes to get your mind off this crazy world we live in. |
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mrgybe
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| swchandler wrote: | | Shocking to religious folks that can't accept the law that's it's a woman's right to choose, Planned Parenthood aside. If the truth were told, they're probably against contraception too. |
What is shocking is that an organization that purports to counsel young pregnant women on their available options, ends up terminating the pregnancies of those women by a factor of nearly 50 - 1. The organization's name is Planned Parenthood.......does the 50 - 1 ratio indicate their mission has anything to do with parenting?
| swchandler wrote: | | For some real context, how many women in this country elected to have their child? I'd easy venture to say that the greatest majority of women that get pregnant wanted to have a child. Why get twisted and off-the-top about a very small minority of women who get pregnant and ultimately elect not to have the child? |
That small minority is 46 million in this country since Roe vs Wade.........for some "real context" that is equivalent to the combined populations of Canada, Ireland, Norway, Luxembourg, Monaco, Gibraltar, Malta, Bermuda and San Fransisco.
| swchandler wrote: | | What's pretty shocking to me is the bold arrogance of religious folks who want to control our society, and all those in it, based on their narrow minded primitive beliefs. |
You are entitled to your opinion..............I choose not to insult it..........you may consider doing the same. |
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