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boggsman1



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
Fuck obama and his anti semitism.

84% of Jewish voters, voted for Obama, Mr. Bard. Stay classy, Mr. Malibu!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
keycocker wrote:
Perhaps before we label people we should check for the meaning of our words first.


What term is most closely identified with Obama's oft-stated goal of "redistributing the wealth"?


Stay on topic, Mike!

BTW: Redistribution of wealth is not in the domain of Marxism only. It is what trade, free-market competition are about.

Only some of the wealthy who are entrenched in advantageous positions are trying to use Government to defend these positions without paying their share to ensure social peace.

Hence they attack the concept of redistribution of wealth, conveniently forgetting that, somehow, they must have gotten wealthy themselves.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
Fuck obama and his anti semitism.

I think accusing someone who is clearly not anti-Semitic of "anti semitism", even when it happens on a windsurfing forum, is unacceptable and disgusting, unless there is some excuse (for example some sort of mental disturbance).
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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing but silence from our brave leader while the entire world condemns Israel. The U.N. did this in a matter of hours. But no condemnation for N Korea who torpedod and murdered 30+ South Koreans a month ago. No condemnation of Iran who's nukes could someday kill an american base or city.

Speak up brave Obama. Tell us what you really think. What do you think about the borders? Gays in the military? Welfare?

158 Obama lies:

http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/05/documented-lie-50-obama-claimed-he-had.html
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bard, make up your small mind. Your first post calls Obama an anti-semite, the last coments on his lack of condemnation on Israel. Do you want Obama to come to Malibu and change your diaper?
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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He should speak up for Israel and consemn the anti-semitism going on around the world.

Stop the insults, or I'll come up there and snake one of your waves.

“The Jewish people have seen, over the years and over the centuries, that hate prepares the way for violence. The refusal to expose and confront intolerance can lead to crimes beyond imagining. So we have a duty to expose and confront anti-Semitism, wherever it is found.”

LIKE THE U.N.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think by not condemning their aggressive actions, which I support, he is clearly showing support. You should be happy.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LHDR wrote:
I think accusing someone who is clearly not anti-Semitic of "anti semitism", even when it happens on a windsurfing forum, is unacceptable and disgusting


Obama's well publicized, unarguable, extremely insulting, almost total, snub of Netanyahu demonstrated beyond any doubt his disdain for Israel, Israelis, or both. How is that not antisemitism?

Mike
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mac



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With you right wingers it is all about violence. First, Israel's current right wing government has stepped back from the principal of not retaining territory taken over in the 1967 war. That is why Obama "snubbed" the Prime Minister--the Prime Minister welshed on a deal. Second, with you guys it all seems to be about violence, and cheering for the right wingers in other countries who are willing to shoot first and ask questions later. No doubt Israel is threatened and needs to have a strong military. Many of us believe that Israel's actions have been far beyond a reasoned response, and have elements of apartheid at their root. Many of us also believe that the approach of the current Israeli admininstration strengthens the hand of the readicals in the Arab world. And if you haven't noticed, they are out reproducing us. Disagreement with any particular aspect of the current Israeli policies is not anti-Semitism. But if you guys remember, disagreement is part of a democratic approach.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From my viewpoint, Israelis aren't developing the strength they need right now, and instead, they show how amateur, agressive and stupid they really are. The thought that Obama is going to rush to support the Israelis' militant actions in international waters is laughable. There was a commentary in the Opinion section of the LAT today, that was written by an Israeli, that reflects a more local view of the situation and fully recognizes how the Israeli government totally blew it. I have to agree, as I think an adequate naval blockade could have been pulled off without all the death and negative fanfare.

There was also another LAT commentary that focused on America being Israel's only friend in this world, and frankly, there's a lot of truth to that. In reality, it's incumbent on Israel's PM, a militant tool for the hard right extremists in the government, to get the picture of the future and a much more realistic direction for the Middle East. They might want to stupidly mix it up with Iran and the rest of the Muslim world, but America must be much more reasonable and balanced in our actions. Why ride with idiots and fools?

Israel needs to get a whole lot smarter. Their reliance on the sympathy and understanding that was the outgrowth of the circumstances of the 1930s and 1940s, even up until the early 1970s, is wearing really thin about now.

Israelis need to suitably resolve their relationship and balance with the Palestinians. After taking their lands, and rendering them refugees in their homeland is a sad state of affairs. I think that the Islamic world recognizes that and expects a more reasonable resolution. You know, it's pretty hard to ignore that with so many in the Islamic world watching with high expectations.
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