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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17744 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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mac wrote: | Much gnashing of teeth from the oil industry. Expect to read postings about how toxic all of that stuff is. It's really about money, market share, and who pays for politicians. |
When you're right, you're right. |
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MalibuGuru
Joined: 11 Nov 1993 Posts: 9293
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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mrgybe wrote: | mac wrote: | You appear to be missing the point. Diverting some energy needs away from carbon based energy sources--to renewables and conservation--reduce CO2 emissions and warming. |
The largest use of renewables on the planet, by a mile, is wood, dung and biomass used for cooking and heating by about 3 billion people in the 3rd world. 4 million people die prematurely every year from inhaling the particulates. That's why governments in those countries are pushing hard for LPG (gasp!!!.....a hydrocarbon). Not easy to understand when one has never set foot in the third world. Oh, and BTW, over 60% of the drop in CO2 emissions in this country over the past several years, is attributable to the switch to natural gas (gasp!!..........a hydrocarbon). The real potential for large scale pollution and CO2 reduction globally, lies with hydrocarbons. |
Why are the lililiputian liberals deniers? Hypocritical drones.We all want clean air and water. |
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KGB-NP
Joined: 25 Jul 2001 Posts: 2856
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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LHDR wrote: | NP, good articles. Life is way more complex than some can comprehend or are willing to acknowledge. I think it is not justified to assume that solar energy proponents are in denial and would like to "dismiss serious negative impacts". The opposite is more likely to be true, as mac and swchandler are pointing out.
In addition to this, is there another point you are making? For example, that solar power is always going to be the worse alternative because construction of solar power plants and batteries will always be dirtier than production of fossil fuels and their power plants? That would be an important point. Or that we need improved regulation of mining and manufacturing all things solar and then it is the method of choice?
Finally, I think fossil fuel people emphasizing pollution associated with solar power is like Saudi Arabia donating $100 million to the Women Entrepreneurs Fund first proposed by Ivanka Trump. Does Saudi Arabia all of the sudden care about equal opportunity for women, or is it something else they have in mind? |
My comments and articles cited were in response to Mac's dismissive arrogance, which is a form of denial too. "My choice" is to be a realist and recognize that there are negative impacts to any form of manufacturing any product. The SVTC exists, not because alternate energy manufacturers are environmental messiahs, but because they are opportunistic entrepreneurs driven by potential profits just like any other industry. I love this stuff and it's potential, but I don't believe it is a perfect solution, and that fossil fuels should be completely shunned when that is totally impractical at this point in time. |
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real-human
Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14839 Location: on earth
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 12:28 am Post subject: |
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mrgybe wrote: | Good article. Life is way more complex than some can comprehend or are willing to acknowledge. |
you must be on drugs to consider that a good article... purely opinion with no meat.
I even laugh at this statement....
Quote: | China now requires panel makers to recycle almost all of this waste, |
Trump just dropped the US standaRDS OF DUMPING CHEMICALS EVEN FROM COAL WASTE... And has told all companies they are free to allow so called accidents to occur during his term...
way too funny that someone does not see the 50 years of going backwards that will be catastrophic in environmental nature.
again Bush dropped out of the Paris accord stuff... and see how great that was for our economy, we were only losing 800,000 jobs a month at his end... _________________ when good people stay silent the right wing are the only ones heard. |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17744 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting.
Quote: | Exxon Mobil Corp. shareholders passed a landmark resolution on Wednesday that requires the company to more rigorously assess the impact of global climate change policies on its business starting from next year. |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Even Paris's supporters admit we can only hope for an 0.17 degree C global temperature impact by 2100. That in no way justifies the level of AGW alarmism our media are whipping up, let alone California's impending legislation against bovine burping. (Who gets fined ... the cows or the farmers?)
Fugging idiots! |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Hillary is slipping, she added a bunch of excuses why she lost the election, the list must be approaching 30 reasons by now, but so far she has forgotten one very important reason,,,,,,,,,, GLOBAL WARMING!
But it's just a matter of time for her to realize that. |
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mat-ty
Joined: 07 Jul 2007 Posts: 7850
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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isobars wrote: | Even Paris's supporters admit we can only hope for an 0.17 degree C global temperature impact by 2100. That in no way justifies the level of AGW alarmism our media are whipping up, let alone California's impending legislation against bovine burping. (Who gets fined ... the cows or the farmers?)
Fugging idiots! |
Come on ISO, its settled science!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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MalibuGuru
Joined: 11 Nov 1993 Posts: 9293
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:12 am Post subject: |
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mac wrote: | Interesting.
Quote: | Exxon Mobil Corp. shareholders passed a landmark resolution on Wednesday that requires the company to more rigorously assess the impact of global climate change policies on its business starting from next year. |
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Do you ever wonder why all the billionaires and the big oil companies want this climate agreement?
BECAUSE IT TAXES THE POOR INSTEAD OF THEM. |
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real-human
Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 14839 Location: on earth
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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trump being trolled as the most dis-respected untrusted human in the world other than Putrid his Russian lover...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40140113
France's Emmanuel Macron: Birth of the anti-Trump?
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Emmanuel Macron has just won the rare distinction of being the most re-tweeted French person in history.
In less than 24 hours, his Trump-defying message "make our planet great again" was shared more than 140,000 times, easily ousting the previous record-holder, the rather less high-minded TV presenter Cyril Hanouna. One fifth of the re-tweets were in the US. |
_________________ when good people stay silent the right wing are the only ones heard. |
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