Global cooling

[techno900]

Agreed, there has always been migration by both animals and humans from the beginning of time, due to drought, flooding, storms, famine, and over population. Nothing new that I can see other than it will continue to increase as the population increases.

Your earlier post of:

[nw30]

[mac]

Not withstanding the massive lobbying effort by big carbon, the Obama measures have been effective. Renewable energy is growing faster than alternatives, and faster than the subsidies which encourage it. But expect a steady diet of lies on Fox.
https://www.iea.org/newsroom/news/2016/july/renewable-energy-continuing-to-increase-market-share.html

[mrgybe]

[mrgybe]

Anyone who bothered to look at the IEA item cited above will see the stunning revelation that wind and solar now are a fraction of the 1.3% that "other renewables" provide towards global power needs. Congratulations President Obama. No wonder that "big carbon", which produces over 80% of the world's power, has a "massive lobbying effort" (albeit mythical) to counter this insignificant threat. They must be trembling in their boots.

[MalibuGuru]

Mac can look forward to oil draining into our rivers and oceans, traffic jam reductions due to 20 million deportations, and his own reeducation under TRUMP!

[GURGLETROUSERS]

Simply can't let this pass-

Quote.- 'There are multiple studies that show that CULTURE is a strong glue that binds people and their communities...'

Talk about an about face! It is not the majority of our countrymen who need to be instructed how we should FEEL about being 'glued' to our community, and cultural values. It is INSTINCTIVE (we call it patriotism) as is the need to preserve it in trust to pass on to future generations.

'Says it all' you sneeringly stated after my previous defence of precisely those values you ridiculed, yet now dare to quote as justification for some other hole you seem to dug yourself into! Yet you wonder why, in the eyes of many, you have lost credibility on this forum.

Your latest claim that perhaps half of the Middle Eastern mass migration into Europe (along with their alien cultural values) is a fleeing from global warming , amply reinforces your loss of credibility.

'Bollocks' indeed! A little less Googling of talking heads, and a little more insight into basic human nature is required.

[J64TWB]

Gybe, 42% of Denmarks electricity comes from wind. 42%! Who is the fool?

[mrgybe]

Denmark. Great example. Thank you.

May 13, 2016. The Danish government said on Friday it wanted to scrap plans to build five offshore wind farms as their output would become too expensive for consumers. "Since 2012 when we reached the political agreement, the cost of our renewable policy has increased dramatically," said Lars Christian Lilleholt, energy minister in Denmark's Liberal party government. We can't accept this, as the private sector and households are paying far too much. Denmark's renewable policy has turned out to be too expensive," he said.

Denmark produced more than 40 percent of its electricity from wind power last year, a world record, and it has a goal of increasing this share to 50 percent by 2020. Subsidies for wind power producers had to increase as power prices fell sharply since 2012, and producers had to get more money to make production profitable."
http://www.reuters.com/article/windfarm-denmark-idUSL5N18A2V8

Perhaps this is the result of the mythical "massive lobbying effort" by "big carbon"?

[mac]

Oh dear, the post truth world is shelling me. A few facts, which probably won't make it through the bubble.

1. Big carbon lobbying efforts against the stimulus bill: Oil and gas lobbying increased from $132 million in 2008 to $154 million in 2009. NYT 2-2-10. Some of the details: http://senate.ucsd.edu/media/206150/lobby_spend_report__april.pdf including $27 million by Exxon alone in 2015. Overall, energy groups spent over $500 million lobbying in 2009, with the stimulus bill the main focus and oil and gas and electricity utilities accounting for most of the spending. But the stimulus went through, and has had an effect on both employment and renewable energy. From the Hill: "From 2008 to 2010, for example, wind power production increased by 60% in the United States. The stimulus also created 720,000 jobs in the green energy sector."

Let's wet our panties over 700 carrier jobs, saved with--gasp--massive subsidies.

2. From the Globalist Quiz in my local newspaper yesterday, "About an eighth of all renwable the subsidies worldwide (the number is $18 billion) came from the United States. capacity around the world is growing at a faster rate than subsidies." You can get various estimates for how we subsidize fossil fuels, as well as ample spin from mrgybe. There is no doubt that investing in research on renewables led to losses--about $500 million--as well as dramatic increases in the feasibility of renewable energy. Let's see, how many of the pallets of money sent to Iraq without accounting by the Bushies was that?

3. Refugees from Syria. According to the UN agency that tries to account for this, 4.8 million refugees have left Syria, and 6.6 million have been displaced but remain within Syria. About 1 million of them have tried to get into Europe. In 2007, the numbers for Iraq were 2 million who left the country and 1.7 million displaced within the country. In Somalia, 1/4 of the population has been displaced by violence and drought.

4. Climate disasters, which are partly natural and partly exacerbated by global warming (is the worst drought in Syria in 900 years really a natural phenomenon?) have displaced an average of 26.4 million people a year since 2008.

And you folks think it is all a myth? Your critical thinking skills are a myth.