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mac



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Storm track and energy balance. Must be the same thing, eh? Only in the mind of a fool or a shill. But go ahead and explain the physics and why they are the same.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Predictably, completely misses the point.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac is spot-on.
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It is also good to see that alternative energy is becoming competitive, and that even Exxon is acknowledging scientific evidence on global warming and the usefulness of a carbon tax.

"In one ambitious venture, Apple has contracted with First Solar to begin buying a little less than half of the power later this year from California Flats, a solar energy farm now under construction. Under the terms of the deal, Apple will pay $848 million for the electricity over 25 years and receive the farm’s total output by the end of the agreement. It is one of largest commercial clean energy contracts yet. ...
Apple’s move comes as prices for renewable energy continue to plummet. And signing long-term contracts allows businesses to shield themselves from potentially higher, more volatile charges from a power company. Apple would not say how much it was paying for California Flats’s energy, but Ms. Jackson (an Apple executive) said last year at a Wall Street Journal conference that it was less than what it paid for commercial power. She said she expected the company to save hundreds of millions of dollars over the life of the contract."
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/24/business/energy-environment/as-energy-use-rises-corporations-turn-to-their-own-green-utility-sources.html?hpw&rref=technology&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

From Exxon's website:
The risk of climate change is clear and the risk warrants action. Increasing carbon emissions in the atmosphere are having a warming effect. There is a broad scientific and policy consensus that action must be taken to further quantify and assess the risks.
http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/current-issues/climate-policy/climate-perspectives/our-position

The WSJ:
Exxon’s official position has long been the same—a carbon tax is the best way to address the risks of warming temperatures—but it has done little to actively advocate for that goal in recent years. Lately, Exxon has been making the case with its U.S. counterparts to support a carbon tax, arguing that the industry must not oppose all climate policies, according to people familiar with Exxon’s thinking.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/exxon-touts-carbon-tax-to-oil-industry-1467279004
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LHDR--the head of Exxon, quite a few years ago, supported a carbon tax. I agree with that position--fiscal incentives, used to subsidize development of technology, is the most efficient way to move energy markets towards a less carbon-dioxide generating portfolio. But since that time, Exxon, and others, have used groups like ALEC to do their dirty work. Laughable says the gybester. More like obscene.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And this in the day's new--wildfires have doubled in intensity over the last 30 years due to global warming. While apologists for big carbon pick nits on nits. They miss the forest for--the forest fire.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LHDR wrote:
Mac is spot-on.
It seems you missed the point also.

LHDR wrote:
It is also good to see that alternative energy is becoming competitive
In 2016 the U.S. will learn if renewable energy can survive without government support. The most significant tax credit for solar power will expire at the end of 2016..........Rhone Resch, head of the trade group Solar Energy Industries Association, says cutting tax incentives could cost the industry 100,000 jobs and erase $25 billion in economic activity. With subsidies, solar in most parts of the country remains more expensive than natural gas, coal, and nuclear. Without subsidies, solar is 35 percent to 40 percent more expensive, according to Bloomberg.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-05/say-goodbye-to-solar-power-subsidies

Price isn't the main issue...........capacity and uninterrupted supply are. After decades of promotion and subsidies, solar produces 0.6% of US energy needs. It is a niche player and will be for the foreseeable future

LHDR wrote:
....and that even Exxon is acknowledging scientific evidence on global warming and the usefulness of a carbon tax.
I despair of people looking beyond the soundbites. The folks at Exxon are way smarter than the regulators. They are saying the minimum they can to stem uninformed public pressure and nonsense actions like the recent failed attempts by State AGs to blackmail them. They don't "support" a carbon tax.........they view it as the better than other unpalatable the alternatives. A carbon tax would make oil and gas more attractive than coal.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To some, there are three evils in the world today; racism, bigotry, and global warming. Those people would pee their pants in orgasmic glee if a white right winger, innocently strolling through a forest was to be struck by lightning and spontaneously exploded in a shower of sparks, burning the whole forest to the ground while forcing a black man to run for his life, burning the soles of his feet because he was too poor and downtrodden to afford any shoes. All their Christmas presents at once!

To put things into perspective, Forest fires have always happened, and if the frequency of them has now increased you can reasonably assume that they mainly occur in DRY or parched ares, which MAY be suffering from some cyclical drought spell.

The Amazon rain forest seems to cope with this global warming, EXCEPT where man interferes by clearances. THEN fires seem to become more of a hazard.

Our countries moorlands (heatherand bracken) often suffer fires in dry (rare) summers, but almost invariably it will be down to some half-wit dropping a lighted fag-end. (Same happens in Australia.)

But no - global warming, first, last, and formost!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh look, it is even reported in British newspapers. Let's ignore it and vote for Brexit again. Facts are so overrated:

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Global warming has caused the area affected by forest fires in the western United States to double over the last 30 years – and the problem will continue to get worse until the trees start to run out, according to new research.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GURGLETROUSERS wrote:
To some, there are three evils in the world today; racism, bigotry, and global warming. Those people would pee their pants in orgasmic glee if a white right winger, innocently strolling through a forest was to be struck by lightning and spontaneously exploded in a shower of sparks, burning the whole forest to the ground while forcing a black man to run for his life, burning the soles of his feet because he was too poor and downtrodden to afford any shoes. All their Christmas presents at once!

To put things into perspective, Forest fires have always happened, and if the frequency of them has now increased you can reasonably assume that they mainly occur in DRY or parched ares, which MAY be suffering from some cyclical drought spell.

The Amazon rain forest seems to cope with this global warming, EXCEPT where man interferes by clearances. THEN fires seem to become more of a hazard.

Our countries moorlands (heatherand bracken) often suffer fires in dry (rare) summers, but almost invariably it will be down to some half-wit dropping a lighted fag-end. (Same happens in Australia.)

But no - global warming, first, last, and formost!



It's settled science, haven't you heard???
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nw30



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed they dragged Algore out from under a rock to stump for Hillary today, just another womanizer who loves massage therapists, is that the best they could do? LOL!
Back to global warming~
Experts said Arctic sea ice would melt entirely by September 2016 - they were wrong

By Sarah Knapton, Science Editor
8 October 2016 • 8:57am

Dire predictions that the Arctic would be devoid of sea ice by September this year have proven to be unfounded after latest satellite images showed there is far more now than in 2012.

Scientists such as Prof Peter Wadhams, of Cambridge University, and Prof Wieslaw Maslowski, of the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California, have regularly forecast the loss of ice by 2016, which has been widely reported by the BBC and other media outlets.

Prof Wadhams, a leading expert on Arctic sea ice loss, has recently published a book entitled A Farewell To Ice in which he repeats the assertion that the polar region would free of ice in the middle of this decade.

As late as this summer, he was still predicting an ice-free September.

Yet, when figures were released for the yearly minimum on September 10, they showed that there was still 1.6 million square miles of sea ice (4.14 square kilometres), which was 21 per cent more than the lowest point in 2012.

For the month of September overall, there was 31 per cent more ice than in 2012, figures released this week from the National Snow and Ice Data Centre (NSIDC) show. This amounts to an extra 421,000 (1.09 million square kilometres) of sea ice, making the month only the fifth lowest since records began.

For the rest~
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/10/07/experts-said-arctic-sea-ice-would-melt-entirely-by-september-201/
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