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mac



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What goes right by NW and crew is that there are corporations who might have committed fraud lying to their investors about what they knew about climate change and how it was likely to affect their businesses. But Republicans in Congress want to help them cover it up. No business like crooked business--look no further than Trump.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
mac must be one of the members of the DNC platform committee.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/27/dem-party-platform-calls-for-prosecuting-global-warming-skeptics/#ixzz4CnHHPuko


should companies that dumped toxic chemicals and they were negligent either not testing the chemicals or did test and knew and dumped and covered it up via various means be liable for their greed?

Lets say the cancer rated in the neighboring areas was 2, 3, 4,10, 100 times the natural rate?

IE are right wingers for taking responsibility for their actions?

also on the other thread you posted it, you admitted you probably are or are somewhat responsible for it. And yes, if knowing it and part of the company not releasing the info I do believe if people died and you were responsible for suppressing information to the public you should be tried for murder. Which there is no statute of limitations to.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"you admitted you probably are or are somewhat responsible for it."

Wow, thanks for the complement but I can't take credit for all the global warming deniers, that's a grassroots movement started by the fictional movie "An Inconvenient Truth".
And it also remains on the bottom of the list of what concerns voters the most, way, way, way, down below national security and the economy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, but those who dumped toxic materials, or spilled oil, and their insurance companies are liable. They have been paying for clean up for decades. What scares the oil companies is a court finding that they have some partial liability for some event--like flooding in West Virginia--that was made worse by their activities. Not to worry, Trump and all the other Republicans will try to make sure that the public, not the carbon industries, pay for the damage.

Silly me, I think that fraud should be prosecuted. Even if it is in Mexico, like Trump's fraudulent condos.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
"you admitted you probably are or are somewhat responsible for it."

Wow, thanks for the complement but I can't take credit for all the global warming deniers, that's a grassroots movement started by the fictional movie "An Inconvenient Truth".
And it also remains on the bottom of the list of what concerns voters the most, way, way, way, down below national security and the economy.


It doesn't matter what you said. It's what he says you said, but he won't back up by using that "search" feature. Now he'll repeat his lie over and over thinking he's convincing. He's just like Adolf.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We could post this on how evil the GOP is, how corrupt the carbon industry is, or here. Let's abuse our power to try to secure more campaign contributions from EXXON and their buddies the Koch's.

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JACK FITZPATRICK | JULY 13, 2016
House Science Committee Chairman Lamar Smith announced Wednesday that he has issued 11 subpoenas to the attorneys general of New York and Massachusetts, eight environmental groups, and one law firm. It is the latest development in an extended back-and-forth over how much ExxonMobil Corp. knew about climate change.

The Texas Republican’s subpoenas ask for documents pertaining to communications between the attorneys general and environmental advocates leading up to the states’ investigations into Exxon. Both states have subpoenaed Exxon and others for information on its communications about climate change, investigating whether the company committed fraud by lying about how much it knew about the negative effects of global warming.

In response, Smith began sending letters in May asking for state communications with environmental activist organizations. The subpoenas raise the stakes on Smith’s accusations that the efforts are politically motivated.

Smith said Wednesday that the state investigations are politically motivated by environmental activists. When asked on Wednesday if he suspected legal wrongdoing by the attorneys general, or just ugly politics, Smith said he wasn’t sure.

“I don’t know what we will find,” he said. “It’s possible that we might find an intent to intimidate or possible infraction of laws. We don’t know. That’s why we’re asking.”

The subpoena gives the attorneys general and advocacy groups until July 27 to comply. The environmental groups include the Union of Concerned Scientists, the Climate Accountability Institute, the Climate Reality Project, the Rockefeller Family Fund, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Greenpeace, 350.org, the Global Warming Legal Action Project and the Pawa Law Group.

Smith said this might be the first time a congressional committee has subpoenaed a state attorney general, but he maintains he is not overstepping the committee’s jurisdiction.

“We have checked and re-checked, and we are on solid ground as far as our constitutional responsibility and even obligation to conduct oversight activities,” Smith said.

Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey had a more specific argument against the committee’s jurisdiction in a letter to Smith on Wednesday, which argued that House and committee rules specifically give committees oversight jurisdiction over federal agencies, not states.

Ahead of the subpoenas, 350.org and Greenpeace sent a letter on Wednesday morning to Smith, asking him to disclose whether any committee members or staff have met privately with ExxonMobil.

Smith was joined by four other Republican committee members on Wednesday, who accused the attorneys general of chilling scientific discourse on climate change. Rep. Randy Weber (R-Texas) said they tried to “intimidate scientists and think tanks,” and they even tied the state investigations to the Obama administration’s environmental regulations, which he said “will all shut down large portions of our economy.”

Republican members of the House Science Committee argue that the state investigations into the fossil fuel industry and its affiliates deprive them of their First Amendment rights.

Schneiderman lawyer Leslie Dubeck on Wednesday said the committee does not have the constitutional authority for oversight on state duties, the Associated Press reported.

–Asha Glover contributed
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KGB-NP



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you stopped consuming animal products yet? Your mouth could be doing equitable damage by all the recent studies being released, and I'm not talking about the studies from those with vested interest in continuing the cycle.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NP wrote:
nw30 wrote:
"you admitted you probably are or are somewhat responsible for it."

Wow, thanks for the complement but I can't take credit for all the global warming deniers, that's a grassroots movement started by the fictional movie "An Inconvenient Truth".
And it also remains on the bottom of the list of what concerns voters the most, way, way, way, down below national security and the economy.


It doesn't matter what you said. It's what he says you said, but he won't back up by using that "search" feature. Now he'll repeat his lie over and over thinking he's convincing. He's just like Adolf.

Have you noticed how much more normal it is around here lately, with only the bit less rabid people posting here?
Either power has been lost in the bunker, or maybe Dean decided to go on vacation, maybe into the belly of the beast, the hated home country, the USA, or worse, Canada, might want to watch out.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yum yum!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:

Have you noticed how much more normal it is around here lately, with only the bit less rabid people posting here?


It's hard to have normal with such an abnormal person.
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