Global cooling

GURGLETROUSERS · Joined: 30 Dec 2009 Posts: 2643

I agree with you Pointster that out of control human population growth (predicted by the U.N. to increase by an extra 2.4 billion in just another 35 years time) is the major adaptation problem the human race will face, from the temperature and CO2 rise (assuming it does take place). It certainly won't be peaceful!

Yes, our present evolutionary state mostly took place in the lower temperature and CO2 concentrations of our post glacial world, but surely, there is no medical reason to suggest we could not cope and thrive in a hottrer, highrer CO2 environment?

Our evolutionary ancestry in early humanoid form dates back perhaps as far as 10 million years or more. (Pre Ice-Age.) and our original and very early line of ancestry began just after the great Permian mass global extinction. (Asteroid strike, and mass extinction of over 90% of all life on earth at that time.)

I would be surprised if we have fully evolved out the robust genetics that allowed our progress in the first place.

If the human race does fall, it will not, in my opinion, be from genetic inability to adapt, but from conflict and all fighting (nuclear weapons) over living space, and depleting resources, in the resultant difficult environment.

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

Move the people (if it really becomes necessary) and STOP PAYING FOR THEIR FLOOD INSURANCE AND increase CO2 output (to increase plant growth). Cheaper, quicker, and the hell with China and India if they refuse to cooperate.

And here we go again: if it isn't AGWAlarmism, it's overpopulation, or police targeting blacks, or the car or oil industry suppressing 100 mpg technology, or ADD vs inoculations. or genocidal drinking water additives, or faked moon landings, or Bush and the Jews bringing down the World Trade Center, or saturated fat, or cholesterol, or ... It just goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on zzzzzzzzzzz

MalibuGuru · Joined: 11 Nov 1993 Posts: 9300

Meanwhile, Obama was in Alaska renaming Mount McKinley to Denali, and lamenting global warming. Also today he made a desperate plea to Congress requesting dozens of icebreakers . How ironic.... Rolling Eyes

nw30 · Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:51 pm Post subject:

You noticed that also, after BHO's dire speech yesterday about how global warming is going to change everything (mac's talking points?), you'd think he would have ordered jet skis, surfboards, and all kinds of water pleasure craft, to take advantage of the coming tropics to the Alaska area.

scottwerden · Joined: 11 Jul 1999 Posts: 302

I don't post here often but I am curious about the ongoing debate. A couple of comments and then I will leave you all to it...

I am not sure there is any more debate about global warming. At this point it is pretty much accepted fact by most people who are in a decision making position, i.e., states, countries and their governments who set policy, make laws, and sign treaties. People who still deny human caused global warming are pretty much a non-entity, politically at least. So, if you are on that side of the fence, right or wrong, you are pretty much relegated to the fringe. Sorry about that, but that is how these things work. It is not who is right, it is who has the ability to sell his/her point to the people who matter.

My personal feeling is that is if there is any remaining debate, it is not whether there is warming and ocean acidification, it is to what extent it is human caused. But even with that said I think the evidence is compelling that human caused or not, or whether it is inevitable in the context of natural geological time-scale climate change, is really a moot point. The point is, we are basically facing a very difficult period for humanity. I tend to think we are screwed and can waste lots of time pointing fingers, but the die is cast. It is what it is, and it ain't pretty. Yes, we will survive, but life will be far different for future generations. If we are the cause of that, shame on us.

MalibuGuru · Joined: 11 Nov 1993 Posts: 9300

It is hard for me to fathom that 7 billion humans like specs of sand could cause a substantial climate change. The vastness of our oceans forests and atmosphere are huge compared to our little life forms.

The sky is not falling. it seems that there will be an awful lot of opportunity if warming continues. Instead of trying to swim upstream, we should enjoy the ride downriver to the next meadow.

mac · Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:28 am Post subject: nt

Try paying attention in math courses. Too late? Try reading the many explanations on this thread.

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

mac · Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:07 am Post subject:

The magnitude of human change. Bard will not pay attention. From the University of Wisconsin.