Global cooling

techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161

mac said:

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

mac · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:26 am Post subject:

Inches, says the uninformed Mike Fick. That's what happens when you censor all inputs. Here's the quote from NASA--feet, within a century or perhaps a bit longer:

Based on 23 years of satellite imagery showing variations around the world, NASA researchers say that rising sea levels are "unavoidable" and could increase by several feet within a century, or perhaps longer.

mrgybe · Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 5180

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

mac, I think that it's inappropriate to attach doomsday outcomes to the affects of climate change and global warming due to man's release of CO2 into the environment. The idea of sea levels rising feet in less than 100 years is a bit outrageous. That doesn't mean that it couldn't happen, but I think we all recognize how some of the IPCC's past predictions were not credible at all. That said, I do believe that the world will suffer significant impacts even if relatively minor increases in sea level change occur, like possibly in the 2-4" range over the next 100 years.

Speaking for myself, I've lived by the ocean for most of my life, and it's down right amazing how much the shoreline has eroded. Even with notable efforts to stem erosion over the years, it really hasn't been all that successful. I think that most thoughtful folks support curbing CO2 pollution, and its far more important than some would like think to be creative and aggressive in our goals to manage the problem.

mac · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:27 pm Post subject:

Another foolish inconsistency from the apologist. In fact, there are over 150 years of records of sea level. See http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/

Because some land along coast is sinking, for various reasons, and some land is rising (usually rebound from ice loading that ended more than 8,000 years ago) raw data has to be adjusted to reflect vertical datums. And then emphemeral phenomena, like storm surges and floods, need to be factored out. The trend upward is clear--8" in San Francisco over about 100 years. And the acceleration signs throughout the data set are equally clear--unless your head is buried somewhere.

Chandler--a 14 inch rise in coastal areas has a huge impact on runoff--and on the ability of sanitary sewers to drain to the treatment plants. 14" by mid-Century is on the low side of forecasts, and below the current trend. Rise of 3 feet is expected by some.

nw30 · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:36 pm Post subject:

mac has called himself a "reformed catholic", which tells me he's no longer religious, but I'd say that he is still very religious, but not in a scripture sort of way, but more of an evangelical sort of way.
His new religion is global warming, and because he favors the catastrophic doom and gloom aspect of it, that makes him an evangelical preacher of the horror of the end of days because of it. His main goal, recruiting disciples through fear.
Sorry, but I'm a global warming heretic.

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

Sorry mac, I'm not buying a 14" rise in world sea levels by mid-century. I could very well be wrong on this, but I like to think more conservatively when it comes to doomsday predictions. Yet, in the big picture, I'm very supportive of reducing CO2 pollution, so it's not like I'm a denier of global warming and climate change.

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

mac · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:03 pm Post subject:

Can someone explain the difference between blind faith and science to NW?