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J64TWB
Joined: 24 Dec 2013 Posts: 1685
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:28 am Post subject: |
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Anyone see this documentary? Pretty incredible science. Yes that dreaded word...science.
So the Greenland ice sheet which is now developing large lakes on it's surface, 2 miles wide, 60 ft. deep or more in the Summer, disappear in minutes down drain holes which lead 1000 ft. down to God knows where and are thought to lubricate the flow of ice to the ocean. Just like greasing the pan. Have you ever seen that much water disappear in minutes! I mean gone. Sucked down.
These scientists have gone where no one has before, and filmed it.
Watch and learn. Watch not the promo, watch the whole thing!
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/extreme-ice.html |
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swchandler
Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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With the wealth of information highlighted in the PBS video, it's pretty hard to deny that surprising changes aren't happening at an increasing clip. No doubt, the state of the ice on the planet is critical view point to see what's actually happening. A warming trend that is alarming in it's speed and magnitude. For every action there is a reaction, and it's a frightening picture as we begin to realize the potential results across the planet.
Thanks Frederick for the post. Definitely food for thought. |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17752 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Wow! But you can rest assured that the denial world, which self-censors, will not watch this. |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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No big surprise here
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The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever
New data shows that the “vanishing” of polar ice is not the result of runaway global warming
By Christopher Booker
10:15PM GMT 07 Feb 2015
When future generations look back on the global-warming scare of the past 30 years, nothing will shock them more than the extent to which the official temperature records – on which the entire panic ultimately rested – were systematically “adjusted” to show the Earth as having warmed much more than the actual data justified.
Two weeks ago, under the headline “How we are being tricked by flawed data on global warming”, I wrote about Paul Homewood, who, on his Notalotofpeopleknowthat blog, had checked the published temperature graphs for three weather stations in Paraguay against the temperatures that had originally been recorded. In each instance, the actual trend of 60 years of data had been dramatically reversed, so that a cooling trend was changed to one that showed a marked warming.
This was only the latest of many examples of a practice long recognized by expert observers around the world – one that raises an ever larger question mark over the entire official surface-temperature record.
Following my last article, Homewood checked a swathe of other South American weather stations around the original three. In each case he found the same suspicious one-way “adjustments”. First these were made by the US government’s Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN). They were then amplified by two of the main official surface records, the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (Giss) and the National Climate Data Center (NCDC), which use the warming trends to estimate temperatures across the vast regions of the Earth where no measurements are taken. Yet these are the very records on which scientists and politicians rely for their belief in “global warming”.
Homewood has now turned his attention to the weather stations across much of the Arctic, between Canada (51 degrees W) and the heart of Siberia (87 degrees E). Again, in nearly every case, the same one-way adjustments have been made, to show warming up to 1 degree C or more higher than was indicated by the data that was actually recorded. This has surprised no one more than Traust Jonsson, who was long in charge of climate research for the Iceland met office (and with whom Homewood has been in touch). Jonsson was amazed to see how the new version completely “disappears” Iceland’s “sea ice years” around 1970, when a period of extreme cooling almost devastated his country’s economy.
One of the first examples of these “adjustments” was exposed in 2007 by the statistician Steve McIntyre, when he discovered a paper published in 1987 by James Hansen, the scientist (later turned fanatical climate activist) who for many years ran Giss. Hansen’s original graph showed temperatures in the Arctic as having been much higher around 1940 than at any time since. But as Homewood reveals in his blog post, “Temperature adjustments transform Arctic history”, Giss has turned this upside down. Arctic temperatures from that time have been lowered so much that that they are now dwarfed by those of the past 20 years.
Homewood’s interest in the Arctic is partly because the “vanishing” of its polar ice (and the polar bears) has become such a poster-child for those trying to persuade us that we are threatened by runaway warming. But he chose that particular stretch of the Arctic because it is where ice is affected by warmer water brought in by cyclical shifts in a major Atlantic current – this last peaked at just the time 75 years ago when Arctic ice retreated even further than it has done recently. The ice-melt is not caused by rising global temperatures at all.
Of much more serious significance, however, is the way this wholesale manipulation of the official temperature record – for reasons GHCN and Giss have never plausibly explained – has become the real elephant in the room of the greatest and most costly scare the world has known. This really does begin to look like one of the greatest scientific scandals of all time.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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And we can file this one under "the more we think we know, the less we really do".
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Are underwater volcanoes causing global warming? Oceanic eruptions may have a greater effect on climate than first thought
>Geophysicists at Columbia University have found underwater volcanoes erupt in regular cycles that range from a fortnight to 100,000 years
>They claim that volcanoes on the sea floor are currently experiencing a lull
>They warn an increase in eruptions will contribute more to climate change
>Some climate models have assumed they erupt at a steady rate over time
>The new research shows they change with the seasons and Earth's orbit
By Richard Gray for MailOnline
Published: 06:30 EST, 6 February 2015 | Updated: 11:54 EST, 6 February 2015
Just one snippet ~
"They also used underwater mapping to produce high-resolution maps providing evidence of past lava flows and analysed seismic data from the ocean ridges in the Pacific, Atlantic and Arctic oceans.
She found that during the coldest periods when ice ages occur, undersea volcanism seems to surge, producing visible bands of hills."
For the rest: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2942510/Are-underwater-volcanoes-causing-global-warming-Oceanic-eruptions-greater-effect-climate-thought.html#ixzz3RBMSpYDh
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But I doubt that producing bands of hills on the ocean floor (which is still happening), not to mention the formation of entire new islands, would have any effect on the rise of sea levels, now would they. |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17752 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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Only a fool would take a Murdoch paper's pronouncements on the end of global warming seriously. We have a winner! |
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swchandler
Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Small wonder that articles of global warming deniers frequently find their way in some publications. It's a regular blast of disinformation trying to undermine the efforts of scientific study and the work of credible government organizations.
I have to ask, NW30, did you watch the PBS video that Frederick posted? |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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nw30 wrote: | during the coldest periods when ice ages occur, undersea volcanism seems to surge ...." |
OBVIOUSLY, then, volcanoes cause ice ages.
This is proof that climate changes are due to ... ta DAAA ... climate changes.
That IS the left's primary argument for GW, isn't it?
As for "The new research shows they change with the seasons and Earth's orbit" ... They're suggesting that the gravitational forces that keep the planets themselves in orbit around the sun and cause our tides might be strong enough to exert enough force to actually affect the molten layers of the Earth.
NAWWWWWWWWW! That's as silly as suggesting that lunar eclipses are due to the Earth getting between the sun and the moon.
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17752 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone that actually knows anything about climate--this excludes NW and Isobars--knows that the dramatic climate changes of the past have been due to wobbles in the earth's orbit around the sun.
I can't believe that Isobars is an engineer! |
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swchandler
Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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"I can't believe that Isobars is an engineer!"
isobars may have studied engineering and got a college degree a long time ago, but if he was real engineer at heart he would have worked his career in private industry designing and building things. Ultimately, when the US military let him go at 45 years old, he could have gone on to work in the engineering field, or maybe have started his own engineering firm, but he didn't.
Even when it comes down to his dedication to windsurfing, you would think that a real engineer would have started designing and making his own boards, sails, fins and other windsurfing gear. He may have studied engineering, but that's not the same thing as being an engineer and really making things. |
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