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mac



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where's the money for these libertarian organizations coming from? Do any of you righties ever think about that?
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pueno



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Fick-shun wrote:
...senior hurricane forecaster for Accuweather and Weatherbell Analytics Joe Bastardi stated flatly that Sandy had nothing to do with global cooling or warming. In short, "Blaming Sandy on Global Warming or ‘Climate Change’ is shockingly ignorant or shockingly deceptive".

At length, see http://patriotpost.us/opinion/15298 .

Preemptively, dismissing him or his analyses simply because he appears on Fox News is about as stupid and dishonest as it gets, considering the overwhelming number and proportion of far lefties and radicals who get their full say on Fox if they address the issues and questions succinctly.

How about dismissing him because he has NO graduate degrees in anything.

He has an undergrad in meteorology... nothing more. So, he learned to stand between the camera and a green screen, wave his arms, flap his jaw.

But, no surprise, Fox thinks he's an expert. Therefore, so do you, Mikey.

Says much about Fox and about you.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is only one qualification that the righties require. Tell me something that I already believe. If you insult Obama I'll like it even more. But it is because he is a socialist, not because I am a bigot.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Highlights from http://tinyurl.com/qymc4h8 in the WSJ:
"Climate Science Is Not Settled", by leading scientist Steven E. Koonin, DOE undersecretary for science in the Energy Department during President Obama's first term and currently director of the Center for Urban Science and Progress at New York University. His previous positions include professor of theoretical physics and provost at Caltech, as well as chief scientist of BP, where his work focused on renewable and low-carbon energy technologies.

He says ...
The claim that "Climate science is settled" is misguided and inhibits scientific and policy discussions [about climate]. My training as a computational physicist—together with a 40-year career of scientific research, advising and management in academia, government and the private sector—has afforded me an extended, up-close perspective on climate science. Detailed technical discussions during the past year with leading climate scientists have given me an even better sense of what we know, and don't know, about climate.

… The climate has always changed and always will. Major climate shifts can take only a few decades. Greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, due largely to carbon-dioxide emissions from the conventional use of fossil fuels, are influencing the climate. There is also little doubt that the carbon dioxide will persist in the atmosphere for several centuries, but the crucial unsettled scientific question, "How will the climate change over the next century under both natural and human influences?", is among the hardest to answer.

Human influences are physically small -- only 1% to 2% -- in relation to the atmosphere's natural greenhouse effect ... A second challenge to "knowing" future climate is today's poor understanding of the oceans…. A third fundamental challenge arises from feedbacks that can dramatically amplify or mute the climate's response to human and natural influences, including water vapor, clouds and temperature. But feedbacks are uncertain … and dependent on behavior which cannot be determined confidently from the basic laws of physics and chemistry, so they must be verified by precise, detailed observations often not yet available.

Then there are the computer models … as much art as science [he discusses examples.] The latest IPCC report (September 2013) used an ensemble of some 55 different models which [manifest these problems] over the past century:
• The models’ surface temps projections differ by more than three times the entire warming actually recorded. IOW, their observed error rate is over 300%.
• Data show that natural influences and variability counteract the present warming influence exerted by human activity … but models miss this altogether.
• The models highlight the observed shrinking Arctic sea ice overlook the comparable growth of Antarctic sea ice, which is now at a record high.
• The models predict that the lower atmosphere in the tropics will absorb much of the heat of the warming atmosphere, but data do not show that.
• The models [miss] that the rate of global sea-level rise 70 years ago [before man’s strong influence] was as large as what we observe today—about one foot per century.
• Today's best estimate of the warming (between 2.7 degrees F and 8.1 degrees F) induced by a hypothetical doubling of carbon-dioxide concentration is no different, and no more certain, than it was 30 years ago despite a heroic research effort costing billions of dollars.

These and many other open issues are described [but effectively hidden] in the body of the IPCC research reports and virtually eliminated from the “executive summary”. Declaring [climate science or change apocalyptic or inconsequential, as ideologues usually do], thwarts progress in understanding the underlying science and its implications.
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is more proof that Iso does not read his own research.
The man confidently says that Iso and other "ideologues..." who find the effects of humans on the climate are" inconsequential thwarts progress in understanding the underlying science ands its implications"
That is Iso.
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nw30



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hypocrisy ran wild today, I was going to check if there was an anti-global warming demonstration today in SF or Berkeley, but I couldn't find any, maybe mac had to sit at home today.
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Robert F Kennedy Jr loses his cool and grabs mic from reporter pushing him about his own carbon footprint

•Environmental lawyer was a leader in New York climate change march
•Reporter asked him if he would 'lead by example' and give up his phone
•Kennedy Jr became visibly irate, grabbed microphone, called her 'inane'
•Outburst came during protest which tens of thousands attended

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2765461/Robert-F-Kennedy-Jr-loses-cool-grabs-mic-reporter-pushing-carbon-footprint.html
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Climate change skeptics call out marchers’ ‘hypocrisies’

By Sophia Rosenbaum
September 22, 2014 | 3:30am

http://nypost.com/2014/09/22/climate-change-skeptics-call-out-marchers-hypocrisies/
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mac



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sad thing, NW, is that you have been gulled into thinking that the carbon signature, or hypocrisy, of anybody, has anything to do with the threat that global warming represents. You drank the kool aid.
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All these so called greens trashed NYC with McDonalds wrappers, urine, food containers, and such, today. Al Gore drove away in his gas guzzling Suburban as did many celebrities. The hypocrisy and city is pungent.
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
The sad thing, NW, is that you have been gulled into thinking that the carbon signature, or hypocrisy, of anybody, has anything to do with the threat that global warming represents. You drank the kool aid.


Chicken Little? The guy who ran into the White House yesterday thought the sky was falling too.
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nw30



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
The sad thing, NW, is that you have been gulled into thinking that the carbon signature, or hypocrisy, of anybody, has anything to do with the threat that global warming represents. You drank the kool aid.

Sad? Really?
There is no sadness on my part, I feel confident for our environmental future, I don't feel like a part of an overpowering human race that can alter the climate, I accept our insignificance, when it comes to climate alteration.

Pollution, however is a different subject, just so you don't get confused.
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