Global cooling

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

"It is increasingly clear, however, that the PHDs and PHD wannabees who for years have looked down their noses disdainfully at sensible questions don't know either. They just eat up a lot of grant money pretending they do."

What I find notable is a level of disdain directed at researchers and scientists. It's the stock and trade of climate change deniers, particularly from those that lack the scientific background and commitment to be seen as credible voices. Is it a big surprise that deniers often have a financial stake in the fate of carbon industries? How easily they promote the idea that scientific study and research is just a specious way to piss away good money on a bunch of pretentious losers.

It's ironic that the above quote is coming from a person of faith that believes unconditionally in a decidedly far fetched view of our world and our existence. Science isn't a friend in the religious world either.

keycocker · Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 3598

I looked up Dfrietas at random. Not an IPCC researcher, but a well known on denier sites. Says global warming is real, but doubts it is human caused by recent CO2 increases.
Uses US lobbyist material as educational materials in class.

I note the folks on this list disagree with another, or with one part of the big model used by the majority of climate science.

This proves that science research is alive., and that among the ten thousand or so researchers there is a range of conclusions, with a very small group holding dissenting opinions.
This is good.

nw30 · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:25 pm Post subject:

Man to live on melting iceberg for one year to urge climate change action

Kimberley Mok (@kimberleymok)
Science / Climate Change
August 23, 2014

Crazy publicity stunt or stroke of daring genius? We're not sure, but it got our attention. The man pictured above is Alex Bellini, a professional adventurer and motivational speaker who plans to live alone on a melting iceberg off the coast of Greenland for one year, to emphasize the urgent need for climate change action.

This bold one-man campaign comes at a time when a chorus of scientists, organizations and policymakers continue to warn about the accelerating loss of Arctic ice.

Thus, extreme circumstances seem to call for extreme measures, but for this former finance student from northern Italy who has already run 23,000 kilometres (14,291 miles) of marathons, rowed solo across the Mediterranean, Atlantic, and Pacific oceans, this new project seems even more extreme. Watch Bellini explain his actions himself:

Starting in spring of 2015, Bellini plans to find a suitable iceberg in the northwest region of Greenland, where he will remain for up to a year as it slowly melts. Provisioned with with 300 kilograms (661 pounds) of dried food, Bellini will shelter in a survival capsule, the Kevlar-reinforced kind used for ocean oil rigs, until it becomes too risky -- at which point he will take to the sea in the capsule, floating adrift until he is rescued.

The project will also serve science: the UK-based explorer plans to observe the changes to our planetary climate, firsthand. Bellini's technical equipment will be powered by a rowing contraption that will convert his muscular energy into electricity. He says on Motherboard:

My objective is reporting and investigating, by means of scientific methods, the entire lifetime of an iceberg. I want to prove how the pace of ice-melting has dramatically accelerated over the last decades. We’ll also play the symbolic card: the adventure of a man floating adrift on an iceberg will come to represent the condition of the whole humankind going adrift on an endangered planet.

Though Bellini earnestly seeks to draw attention to the seriousness of climate change, some have expressed awed disbelief at the adventurer's proposed plan. When asked if he was "crazy," the self-professed "explorer of human nature" replies to Adventure Journal that it is also about pushing the boundaries of human possibilities:

Well, I want to be honest with you: yes, probably I’m a bit crazy, but is it not equally crazy someone who lives a life constantly dreaming of something different? Is it not equally crazy someone who procrastinates, someone who, fearing to be or look imperfect, refrains from dancing, acting, singing, wooing a girl? Is it not equally crazy someone who postpones his happiness to future events that might never occur? Maybe I’m crazy because I chose sacrifice, remoteness, and solitude or because I decided to live the life I love, but as you can see nobody is straight.

It may seem crazy, but this seems like another much needed nudge to the collective human psyche to adapt and change for the better; in a way, we'll all be floating adrift with Alex.

http://www.treehugger.com/climate-change/man-to-live-melting-iceberg-year-for-climate-change-action-alex-bellini.html
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If we are to believe everything that we read from this website, then his mission is going to fail. His iceberg should be all melted before his year is up according to this other article on the same site.
Maybe somebody should tell him,,,,,,,,,, nah, why spoil the fun.

Arctic Sea Ice Could Disappear in Summer by 2016

http://www.treehugger.com/climate-change/arctic-sea-ice-could-disappear-summer-2016.html

mac · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:48 pm Post subject:

As often occurs, mrgybe cherry-picks the real world to argue that scientists are corrupt, global warming is on hiatus, and we need not worry. He ignores the blatant dishonesty of Isobars posting, numbers also cherry-picked for propaganda purposes, and the role of his former employer in funding such dishonesty.

He is correct that current models don't predict what we are observing. He is dead wrong that this means we don't need to worry about CO2 emissions.

There are two things that help explain what we are now observing. First, an enormous amount of energy has been stored in the oceans, for the most part in the deep oceans, where it has a relatively small effect on surface temperatures. How much energy? The numbers boggle the mind: over the last 30 years, 17 times 10 to the 22nd power Joules! You can see it graphed here: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/09/what-ocean-heating-reveals-about-global-warming/

That is equivalent to exploding a Hiroshima bomb every second.

Second, a substantial amount of the CO2 has been absorbed by the oceans, with a dramatic impact on increased acidification. The data for Hawaii can be found here: http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/file/pH+Time+Series

Neither of these physical phenomena are well capture by models. Science works that way; you postulate a theory, you collect data, and you inevitably adjust your theory. Models help you figure out how to collect data, and what factors matter the most. But mrgybe's buddies in the carbon industry don't like science, and they are trying desperately to defund it. His insults are just part of the talking points. He avoids any real discussions of the underlying science--whether through ideological bent, or lack of understanding is beyond my ken. But his postings are, as almost always, spun.

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

mac · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:50 pm Post subject:

GT--here is the full length time series for average temperatures: https://www.google.com/search?q=noaa+graph+of+long+term+temperature+trends&espv=2&tbm=isch&imgil=YK-QtG_ZtwQpxM%253A%253BybRWPIvMld6AmM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fen.wikipedia.org%25252Fwiki%25252FInstrumental_temperature_record&source=iu&usg=__zZ-Fn44_FEY-chKVHhUNcHWO_9M%3D&sa=X&ei=uP34U8KBHJCmyASVtoLwDw&ved=0CCAQ9QEwAA&biw=1097&bih=541#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=Dvj1gKK1O2BjrM%253A%3BPowLFKW9O5-quM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fthinkprogress.org%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2013%252F01%252FNASA2012-FINAL.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fthinkprogress.org%252Fclimate%252F2013%252F01%252F15%252F1452471%252Fnoaa-nasa-2012-warmest-la-nina-year-on-record-sustaining-long-term-climate-warming-trend%252F%3B600%3B389

I have no idea what caused a particular scientist to have an outburst. In general, scientists are just as snarky to each other as mrgybe is to everybody. Reputations are built on who got their first, and on who made a mistake. But the data is the data, and cherry-picking it is dishonest.

A shorter link to the same graph: http://www.earth-policy.org/indicators/C51/temperature_2011

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

NW30, thanks for providing a link to the treehugger website. Lots of great stuff on small dwellings and spaces, and I have to admit that I got a bit carried away. I even ended up subscribing to a related magazine.

pointster · Joined: 22 Jul 2010 Posts: 376

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

I find it laughable that anyone would think that disparaging one scientist discredits the other 50 (in this case), let alone the 32,000 who signed the Oregon Petition.

It's even funnier that a bunch of anonymous internet posters rank their undefined credentials above those of IPCC members with careers and PhDs relevant to the task of evaluating AGW ... especially when the primary AGW alarmist agency is the IPCC.

And ... really ... citing Wikipedia, essentially an open bulletin board functionally like this one, as proof in ANY controversial issue? Who wrote the Wikipedia entry ... Al Gore? Jim Henson? But OOOOH ... it cites hundreds of impressive references. Got news for youse guys: So do the denier books and papers.

pueno · Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 2807