Global cooling

[GURGLETROUSERS]

Mac. I'm not trying to draw things out, and I largely accept what you say, but most of us (who are sane) realize that modeling has predicted an increase in the number and intensity of extreme events which we MAY be seeing. (Driven by warming oceans -if that is happening - agreed.)

So I'm pleased to hear you disown (I think you are) those who are jumping the gun, and are positively linking each and every extreme weather event nowadays to a modeling probability only, and presenting it as indisputable fact of global warning phenomena.

You did say, in a previous response, 'don't trust tyhe models for prediction,' a conclusion which most of us long ago came to. (Too many false certainties 'screamed' at us.) So it is unsurprising that normal moderates, with no axe to grind, get angry with unvalid claims . (Every modern extreme event proof of the prediction.)

A little more objectivity on the part of the more excitable warming element would be welcome, not to say novel, and would go a long way to winning over converts .

[mac]

GT--here in the United States, conservatives play hard ball-death threats and lies are common--and it pisses off scientists with integrity. I heard one of those threatened, Steven Schneider, now deceased, speak on the matter. So from what I see, while there may be some alarmism on the green side, it is coming from concern for the consequences and an excess of caution, not from the hateful stuff coming from the right. The clipping of the temperature record, and the constant reposting of it by idiots like NW who think its news every time someone comments about it, or that it is meaningful--because they have no conception of science--is bad enough. But while a bit dated, this article makes my point:

[nw30]

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[swchandler]

"Other unusual features of the June temperature record are an unusual excess of sunlight hours (11.8 hours rather than the normal 7.4 hours), and unusually light wind conditions. "



Wow, who would have known. Flies in the face of the idea that it's winter in the Southern Hemisphere, especially with all of us up here in California getting the longest days of the year right now.

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[swchandler]

NW30, just google the shortest day of the year in Antarctica. It might surprise you that it's in June. When you hang in the wrong places for news, some of the wrongness rubs off.

[MalibuGuru]

Chandler, it doesn't matter, it's still the coldest.

How can the models account for volcanos, sun spots, solar flares, and the permafrost releasing unusually high levels of CO2?

[swchandler]

"Antarctica continues to defy the global warming script, ..."



Bottomline, that's the basic message of the article. Throwing some unexplained "extra" daylight hours in the month of June is offered as an ironic anomaly in what's supposedly going on that's resulting in overall colder temperatures. I'm curious why this year's June is many hours longer than normal. How does that work in the Northern Hemisphere? Also, not surprisingly, there's no discussion about what happens in Antarctica, and how it affects what's going in the Northern Hemisphere.

It's no great surprise that loosely collected "facts" are used to create specious conclusions.

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