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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It must be immense fun to split hairs. Listed in the posting was $200,000 from Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation. Where did Mr. Koch make his money? Selling beads?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's next?
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Global Warming Makes Couples Cheat, Says Dating Website

By Ciara LaVelle Wed., May 28 2014 at 9:00 AM

If you're married in Miami, you might want to get out of town this summer. No, not to avoid the hurricanes -- to avoid a nasty divorce.

A new report blames global warming for rising rates of infidelity, especially bad news for couples in Miami, where rising tides and raging hurricanes remind us all how much extracurricular sex we could be having on a daily basis.

See also: Rolling Stone Predicts Miami Will Be Underwater By 2030

Victoria Milan, a dating website for people looking to cheat on their significant other, surveyed 5,000 of its members, both men and women. A shocking 72 percent of them responded that yes, their own Al Gore-esque stress about unpredictable weather is the cause of their extramarital dalliances. Guess the fact of their existing committed relationships was just an inconvenient truth.

Survey respondents also reported they're more likely to sneak a little on the side in hot weather than in cold. That makes sense -- after all, which would you say is sexier, a steamy Miami day or a polar vortex?

"Summer loving is something everyone experiences when they're growing up, and the excitement and thrill of doing something a bit naughty never fades," Victoria Milan's CEO and founder, Sigurd Vedal, explains in a statement. "It's no surprise that one half of a couple feels the itch when the weather warms up."

So let's recap: Hot, unpredictable weather makes for unfaithful partners. Just when you thought your hope of finding true love in Miami had hit rock bottom, a story like this comes along to prove there's even farther to fall. But hey, we'll all be underwater in 15 years anyway, right?

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/cultist/2014/05/global_warming_makes_couples_cheat_says_dating_website.php

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought I had found a legitimate, informed, rational source for a rational AGWA reality check in the gym last week. MANY of the patrons there are PhD scientists, and one brought the subject up. He has been studying it as a personal quest since he got his physics PHD in the mid '60s, wanted to discuss it, and expresses even stronger fears about it than the usual media article does. In the ensuing 10-minute discussion, not once did he call me a racist or lie about what I had said, so I welcomed the opportunity to hear and evaluate his side. It was quickly evident that he was a wealth of facts and educated opinions about each word represented by the acronym, AGWA, and was actually interested in discussing it like an adult. I was delighted and encouraged by his apparently open mind and his claimed expertise. In general he wasn’t interested in hearing any opposing facts or opinions, but he at least agreed to read Lomborg’s “Cool It”, unlike others asked to put AGWA in perspective among the world’s problems. I looked forward to our next discussion, and set aside some of my hectic and focused gym time for it and some questions.

Unfortunately, it quickly proved fruitless. His answers to my opening questions showed I had overestimated his openness to the debate and his knowledge of the subject.

“How do you account for the fact that for the first decade or two of your climate change study, the ”W” was an “F”, i.e. the “scientific consensus” back then was that we were on the brink of an ice age?”

“Yeah, a couple of guys were saying that.”

Strike One.

“What about Michael Mann’s infamous fraudulent hockey-stick plot, on which Al Gore founded his schtick, which was ultimately shown to produce the same result regardless of what was input to it?”

“What do you mean? The hockey stick is valid.”

Strike Two.

“You cited the 97% scientist consensus, which has been debunked by climate experts with an analysis of the origins of that imaginary number. You saw that just last week in the WSJ, right?

No. I read only two sources … “Scientific American” and “Science News”. I tried “Science” but it was too technical. Anything else is just denier bias”.

Strike Three.

I subscribed to “Science” as a kid just out of college, at the same time he tried it.

Strike Four.

“My primary guru is Jim Henson”, he said.

Strike Five.

“The oceans will rise by many feet in just a couple of years after the Antarctic glacier melt tipping point comes, beginning this decade.”

“What about the analysis recently published in ”Science” showing that Antarctic glacier melting may be enough to raise sea levels by millimeters beginning only after … maybe long after … 200 years in the future?

“No. It’s happening now. ”

“Your source?”

“98% of the world’s scientists.”

Strike Six. The consensus is apparently growing as we speak.

“I though it was 97%. Besides, what about the OISM Petition, in which >31,000 scientists attest that "there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide will, in the forseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere"
(http://tinyurl.com/22snmcy) ?"

"That doesn't exist."

Strikes Seven, Eight, and … what the hell? … right up through Eighty One. Game and discussion over.

On THIS kind of thinking Obama wants to stifle industry, energy, the economy, and no one knows what else?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike, don't you know 98% of all science comes from collusion? Besides you're flip flopping on me. I got you to admit earlier in this thread "Earth is warming a bit, and man probably has something to do with it". Don't make me look it up.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Fick-shun wrote:
In the ensuing 10-minute discussion, not once did he call me a racist or lie about what I had said, so I welcomed the opportunity to hear and evaluate his side...

So, in other words, you said NOT ONE THING.


Mr. Fick-shun wrote:
Strike One.
Strike Two.
Strike Three.
Strike Four.
Strike Five.
Strike Six.
Strikes Seven, Eight, and … what the hell? … right up through Eighty One. Game and discussion over.

So, let's cut through the blather, Mikey.

You and he -- a PhD physicist -- disagree. Therefore, he's wrong and you're right.

You are one funny guy. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Researchers Find Major West Antarctic Glacier Melting from Geothermal Sources.
I wonder if the major media will pick this up?

http://www.utexas.edu/news/2014/06/10/antarctic-glacier-melting/
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How the Media Fails to Cover Climate Science

By Victoria Bekiempis / June 26, 2014

In late April, a producer at Fox & Friends, the most-viewed morning news show in the U.S., approached Scientific American’s public relations department and asked whether someone from the magazine would appear on the show and opine on the future of technology. For example, would teleporters be a thing in 50 years?

Bill Moyers, a senior editor at the magazine, agreed to appear. On the show, which aired April 30, he discussed topics such as the search for Earth-like planets. He didn’t bring up climate change; later, however, he wrote that he had wanted to include global warming among his talking points, as it’s “about the only interesting thing that the scientific community is sure will happen in the next 50 years.” According to Moyers, Fox told him to “pick something else.”

A spokeswoman for Fox later disputed that, telling Business Insider, “We worked closely with him and his team, and there was never an issue on the topic of climate change.… To say he was told specifically not to discuss it would be false.”

Although there has long been a consensus in the international scientific community that climate change is real, this is not always what’s portrayed on cable news networks. In a report published in April, the nonprofit group the Union of Concerned Scientists tried to assess the accuracy of climate change coverage on the Fox News Channel, CNN and MSNBC—the three most-viewed 24-hour-news channels. The organization found that Fox’s 50 segments on climate science in 2013 were accurate 28 percent of the time, CNN’s 43 segments were accurate 70 percent of the time, and MSNBC’s 132 segments were accurate 92 percent of the time. (The 8 percent of MSNBC’s climate coverage determined to be inaccurate skewed too strongly toward climate science, according to the Union of Concerned Scientists. “The handful of misleading statements were inaccurate in the same manner,” the organization wrote in its April report. “All overstated the effects of climate change and specific types of extreme weather, such as tornadoes.”)

While non-cable broadcast coverage of climate change has also come under scrutiny, cable news networks are often the subject of analysis because of their influence. Whereas broadcast networks do have news on them and are watched by many more people overall, cable news networks provide around-the-clock news coverage, which is why, according to a Pew Research Center’s Journalism Project study, more people have said they “‘regularly’ get news from cable,” compared with broadcast TV.

Misinformation about global warming is an old problem. When climate change first made the news in the early 1990s, the fossil fuel industry embarked on a public relations strategy similar to the one employed by Big Tobacco to combat anti-smoking initiatives decades earlier. Exxon and other fossil fuel concerns funded public relations firms and think tanks to release skeptical reports and press releases. According to research published in the 2010 book Merchants of Doubt, many of the scientists who worked to foster skepticism about tobacco risks also worked on these global warming denial campaigns, including Fred Singer, professor emeritus at the University of Virginia, and Frederick Seitz, a professor emeritus at Rockefeller University until his death in 2008.

They worked to “cultivate spokespeople and [entities] to attack the science, sow doubt and portray the science as something that was unsettled, uncertain and open for debate,” Angelo S. Carusone, executive vice president of Media Matters for America, a self-described “progressive” journalism watchdog group, tells Newsweek.

The strategy worked. One 2012 study published in the journal Nature Climate Change found that despite near-universal agreement by experts that greenhouses gases lead to global warming, public concern about the issue has declined in recent years because of “the ‘manufacture of doubt’ by political and vested interests, which often challenge the existence of scientific consensus.” The report also found a causal link between “perceived consensus” and acceptance of global warming. Essentially, acceptance tends to increase when the media highlight the fact of a scientific consensus. And on the flip side, if the media were to downplay the consensus, the public’s acceptance of global warming would tend to wane.

So how do Fox and CNN decide how to cover a topic as divisive as climate change? A Fox News email leaked to Media Matters for America in 2010 revealed that in 2009 network VP Bill Sammon ordered staffers via email to “refrain from asserting that the planet has warmed (or cooled) in any given period without IMMEDIATELY pointing out that such theories are based upon data that critics have called into question. It is not our place as journalists to assert such notions as facts, especially as this debate intensifies.”

Fox did not respond to emails seeking comment on its climate coverage.

Several former staffers at CNN tell Newsweek the network has no top-down edict to eschew accurate climate coverage. However, Peter Dykstra, who worked as the executive producer for CNN’s science, weather and environment coverage (and who now publishes dailyclimate.org and www.ehn.org), says that much of the conversation is nevertheless tempered by the ultimate decision–maker: money. “Places like CNN are terrified of offending viewers and sending them to Fox,” he says.

In the 2013 ratings of the top cable news channels, CNN tumbled to a 20-year low in prime-time ratings, at 568,000 viewers, just a smidgen more than half of Fox News Channel’s 1.1 million. Meanwhile, news consumers are increasingly demanding narrowcast coverage—reporting that matches their biases. Fox appeals to the conservative segment of the market, MSNBC tends to attract a liberal audience, and CNN has tried to maintain a centrist viewership.

When the Obama administration released its National Climate Assessment on May 6, warning of increasing weather extremes because of global warming, all three news outlets covered it extensively: CNN featured 85 minutes of coverage, and Fox News Channel had 42, according to Media Matters for America. That would seem to be good news. But that coverage mostly was about spicing up a fiery debate, rather than considered analysis or discussion.

CNN, for example, aired a debate on the science of climate change between Bill Nye (The Science Guy) and Heritage Foundation economist Nicolas Loris. Nye is not and was never a climate scientist; he is a TV show host and comedian with a bachelor of science degree in mechanical engineering who has become an outspoken critic of climate change denial. The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank well known for its skepticism about climate change.

Nobody cared who won the debate, because the specifics of the argument didn’t matter—the two men were debating an issue that has already been resolved. On the other hand, what did count was the fact that CNN let there be a debate at all. It drummed up media coverage, viewership and discussion, for all the wrong reasons.

Chez Pazienza, a former senior producer at CNN (he was fired for starting a blog without permission from his employer), says this type of skepticism-enabling debate about climate change is part of cable news culture: ramping up conflict where it doesn’t really exist, for the theatrics. It’s also a microcosm of cable news.

“There’s this attitude that there is no real truth: ‘There’s two sides to every single story.’ Even if 98 percent of scientists say, ‘Climate change is absolutely real,’ cable news will not present it that way,” Pazienza says. “They’ll say, ‘Let’s bring on a guy who denies climate change. That makes for good TV debate.’”

Source: www.newsweek.com/2014/07/04/how-media-fails-cover-climate-science-256311.html
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, the part I totally have a problem with, and find hard to believe, is that you go to a gym where "MANY of the patrons there are PhD scientists" - NO WAAAAY!!!! I go to the YMCA and all the regulars are pumped up meat heads that start and end every sentence with "Bro" or "Brah" Laughing

What enquiring minds want to know is....Do Phd scientists walk around with their chests puff out and their arm hanging unnaturally to their sides?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've been told that global warming will cost the U.S. billions of dollars, because of rising temperatures and sea levels.
Then just recently we were told not to worry about the U.S. economy shrinking by 2% because that was caused by an artic blast (many of which we've had before) that covered most of our country.
So as a tax payer, I can expect to pay more in taxes and higher energy bills to battle the warming climate, as I experience fewer job opportunities thanks to the cold weather.
I guess that makes sense. Confused

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reinerehlers wrote:
OK, the part I totally have a problem with, and find hard to believe, is that you go to a gym where "MANY of the patrons there are PhD scientists" - NO WAAAAY!!!! I go to the YMCA and all the regulars are pumped up meat heads that start and end every sentence with "Bro" or "Brah" Laughing

What enquiring minds want to know is....Do Phd scientists walk around with their chests puff out and their arm hanging unnaturally to their sides?

RE, don't be bamboozled by Fick-shun.

I really enjoyed this: "In general he wasn’t interested in hearing any opposing facts or opinions..."

and

"Unfortunately, it quickly proved fruitless. His answers to my opening questions showed I had overestimated his openness to the debate and his knowledge of the subject."

In other words, Mikey's new PhD physicist BFF responded to Mikey precisely as Mikey responds to the rest of the intelligent world -- and he's pissed that his craziness was rebuffed. Moreover, Mikey's convinced that he knows more about the subject than his new PhD BFF.
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