Global cooling

[mac]

Aha, but GT, many of the deniers, specifically Mike Fick on this forum, have argued that warming was not occurring. You don't have to take any bullets for him. I wouldn't consider you a denier, more a cranky skeptic pissed off about the British government's response.

I thought I asked for a peer reviewed reference on the Russian work?

[GURGLETROUSERS]

Well, you're certainly right about my being p****d off Mac, and not just at the government. This bloody weather doesnn't help. (I fell off my road bike on black ice!)

However, the only body with sufficient expertise to peer review Russian space research is NASA. I very much doubt that a) the Russians would tip up their research methods and findings to them, their direct competitors in space exploration, and b) that the Russians don't give a s**t what the rest of the world think of them anyway. So apart from infrequent press releases (as the mood takes them) I doubt we'll ever know what 'Ivan the Terrible' is really up to. (I would add in their favour that they did successfully land a working probe on Venus, which worked for over 20 minutes in that hellish acidic high temperature pressure cooker atmosphere, and sent back clear images .)

But, as one of our ex Prime Miniters (a conservative) once unflappably said as the country was falling apart about his ears, 'Events dear boy, events!'

If, in a couple of years time events decide our issues in your favour I shall grovel (metorphorically, of course) at your mercy but, until then, the warming circus can go and...(ahem, fill in your own description. I'm still sore as hell from my tumble!! )

[isobars]

frederick, I'm not going to rehash the other "2,500 threads" with you. It would be nice if years of everyone's blood, sweat, time, and tears could be condensed into a few posts, but it's not possible. You may even be deceived by our left coasties' incessant -- for many years now -- complete fabrications of what the "deniers" have or have not posted. That's the risk of not doing one's own homework.

For example, one more click may have led you to this
http://real-agenda.com/2013/05/22/nasa-buries-myth-of-anthopogenic-global-warming/
and an endless stream of similar articles contradicting your source. This journaled article starts with "Practically everything you have been told by the mainstream scientific community and the media about the alleged detriments of greenhouse gases, and particularly carbon dioxide, appears to be false, according to new data compiled by NASA's Langley Research Center." and ends with “The shock revelation starkly contradicts the core proposition of the so-called greenhouse gas theory which claims that more CO2 means more warming for our planet,” write H. Schreuder and J. O’Sullivan tn their Principia Scientific International publication. “[T]his compelling new NASA data disproves that notion and is a huge embarrassment for NASA’s chief climatologist, Dr. James Hansen and his team over at NASA’s GISS.”

That's the risk of basing conclusions about something this big, this complex, and this expensive on any single article. NASA's self-proclaimed "consensus" has been hotly disputed by many of their own senior scientists. Asking doods on the internet, me or anyone else, is not the way to make a valid decision.

Look at the total NASA money-grubbing politics that produced the Challenger disaster as a classic example of NASA's politics.

The quality and length of my very life depend on some of the medical research homework I do. A reassuring scene in the movie "Apollo 13" illustrates one of many direct contributions I personally made to the Apollo program. I managed the development of high-energy laser weapons systems technology now peacefully used throughout space and atmospheric optical systems world-wide. That level of involvement, motivation, and achievement doesn't make my AGWA position inherently right, but it sure as hell gives me fairly strong confidence in my conclusions that those 30,000+ signatory "deniers", those dozens of nations with FAR bigger socioeconomic issues, and many world-class professional climatology experts are on the right track and that any nation or agency demanding reparations is playing 100% economic and ideological politics.

There is no quick or simple answer to your quest for resolution of the AGWA issue. I had hoped for one when I dived into it many years ago, but it's not available.

[mac]

GT--you are certainly more determined, or crazier, than I am. I wait until temperatures are above 50 degrees F to ride my road bike!

While the circus goes on, the other complaint I have is that all the awfulizing about wrecking the economy is just so much horseshit from oil company public relations flacks. California has implemented a cap and trade system--and is leading the nation in job recovery. Correlation, not causation, but still. Obama's measures have resulted in sustainable electrical generation equivalent to about 4 nuclear plants--but much cheaper and with no long term waste. Technology advances are about as advertised. I can hear the gnashing of teeth from here.

Meanwhile, Chevron keeps fighting the carbon caps for their Richmond refinery. The higher sulfur and sourer crudes they need to retool for as oil supplies change and lowest cost sources are dirtier, take more energy to refine. Of course they argued that they weren't preparing for more damaging crudes, and they argued that we could trust their safety and maintenance programs.

With that track record, why in the world would we believe their flacks?

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[quote="isobars"]A reassuring scene in the movie "Apollo 13" illustrates one of many direct contributions I personally made to the Apollo program. I managed the development of high-energy laser weapons systems technology now peacefully used throughout space and atmospheric optical systems world-wide. That level of involvement, motivation, and achievement doesn't make my AGWA position inherently right, but it sure as hell gives me fairly strong confidence in my conclusions that those 30,000+ signatory "deniers", those dozens of nations with FAR bigger socioeconomic issues, and many world-class professional climatology experts are on the right track and that any nation or agency demanding reparations is playing 100% economic and ideological politics.[quote]

Translation: I had a cool job, I was was really important and I am smarter than you so my opinion carries more weight than yours.

[mac]

Whopper of the day:

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