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uwindsurf
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| nw30 wrote: |
I used to get season passes for Squaw, my former room mate worked there, yes those totals are accurate at the top of the Emigrant, Siberia, or Granite Chief chairs, which all are just above the timber line.
That's a far cry from "fields and forests usually covered with 20' of snow".
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When I lived in California I used to ski Squaw quite often as well.
I guess the above timberline areas get 37.5 feet annually and the "forests" only get 20 feet annually. Based on the current totals, I suspect the "forests" have significantly less than 20 feet and will not make it up by the end of the winter.
"SAN FRANCISCO -- Gov. Jerry Brown on Friday declared a drought emergency in California as the state struggles with the least amount of rainfall in its 153-year history, reservoir levels fall and firefighters remain on high alert...The Sierra Nevada snowpack on Thursday was 17 percent of normal. And last year, most cities in the state received the lowest amount of rain in any living Californian's lifetime. The rainfall records go back to 1850."
http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_24933924/california-drought-emergency-declared-by-gov-jerry-brown
Indeed, enough said. Let's end the discussion here shall we? |
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J64TWB
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| Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| Still debating this? After 255 posts? Even Rush L. has admitted the earth is heating (two years ago wouldn't dare). Even the all mighty blowhard has succumb. He won't go so far as saying it's man made, but a big step even for a real big fat idiot (not my words). It's warming dudes. Nearly 100% of legit scientific dudes say so. If it wasn't, would nearly all of us "uninformed (liberal) population" really want to fake it? Just to hurt big biz? We aren't smart enough to come together on that. |
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J64TWB
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| Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| Still debating this? After 255 posts? Even Rush L. has admitted the earth is heating (two years ago wouldn't dare). Even the all mighty blowhard has succumb. He won't go so far as saying it's man made, but a big step even for a real big fat idiot (not my words). It's warming dudes. Nearly 100% of legit scientific dudes say so. If it wasn't, would nearly all of us "uninformed (liberal) population" really want to fake it? Just to hurt big biz? We aren't smart enough to come together on that. |
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MalibuGuru
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You might want to check out the huge increase in ice in both the Arctic and Antarctic as well as most of the earth lately.
Although it has been in the 90's here in Malibu this week. I'm very worried about our beautiful state, and its lack of water. |
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uwindsurf
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| Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| stevenbard wrote: | You might want to check out the huge increase in ice in both the Arctic and Antarctic as well as most of the earth lately.
Although it has been in the 90's here in Malibu this week. I'm very worried about our beautiful state, and its lack of water. |
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pueno
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| Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| youwindsurf wrote: | | stevenbard wrote: | You might want to check out the huge increase in ice in both the Arctic and Antarctic as well as most of the earth lately.
Although it has been in the 90's here in Malibu this week. I'm very worried about our beautiful state, and its lack of water. |
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Don't waste your time with quantifiable scientific facts for Mr. B or the other ultra-conservatives here.
Just because it's real doesn't mean it's real.
See that little red dot at the end of your chart? That's Mr. B's "huge increase." Nothing trumps the "facts" from inside the bubble of their far right imaginations.
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mac
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Science, schmience. Just to put a bit of physical perspective on reality--and the bogus claims of deniers. The Arctic Ice is over a sea. The Antarctic ice is over land. A fairly significant difference, you think?
Now if you actually want to think, here is a temperature time series for the arctic showing, very clearly, a long term increase: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/ArcticIce/arctic_ice3.php
Now for the antarctic, this is a very easy to understand set of slides on ice and temperature in the Antarctic. http://icecap.us/images/uploads/antarctica_white_paper_final.pdf
If you look at the actual data, two things will immediately be apparent. First, the data set at the actual locations is tremendously chaotic, and trends are not immediately apparent. But if you look at the y-axis label, the significant difference between the North and South Poles is immediately clear. It is always below freezing at the South Pole. At the North Pole, some ice nearly always melts--it is at the North Pole that a change in average temperature as small as 2 degrees will have a tremendous impact.
Look a bit further and you will see the smoothed data and the trend appears. Smoothing is manipulation of data--not as deniers do it, but to use moving averages to discern trends. I know, it is science, and it makes conservatives sneeze and hurl.
Deniers conflate and manipulate data in both cases to try to make their case that there are no upward trends. That is hogwash. Or more accurately, carbon-wash. |
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uwindsurf
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isobars
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| frederick23 wrote: | | If it wasn't, would nearly all of us "uninformed (liberal) population" really want to fake it? Just to hurt big biz? |
No.
To redistribute wealth nationally and globally, as is being demanded by Obama, the IPCC, the UN, and every other lefty who thinks the right is too stupid to see through the ruse. |
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