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techno900



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan,

By your logic, everyone that takes a deduction on their income taxes is receiving a government subsidy. This is one way to look at it, but a deduction received to motivate or justify a purchase is a lot different than one because you have a kid or two or had a financial loss, made a donation, etc.

One could argue that a mortgage deduction is motivation to buy a home, but if that deduction is the deciding factor in purchasing a home, that purchaser is on thin ice. I like the deduction, but I don't know why it is there.

Actually, I don't think petroleum producers should get subsidies/deductions, as they seem to do well enough anyway.

And there is a difference to me between business and individuals that receive subsidies. Different reasons I suspect especially when politics come into play. Not an expert here, just my thoughts.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
boggs,

Solar will be a great thing when it can stand alone withOUT government subsidies. If you have to be bribed to do it and to make it cost effective, I am not in the game. It will get there, but there still has be adequate back up to keep EVERYTHING lit when the sun isn't shining.

California has lots of sunshine. You guys willing to ship your power to where the sun isn't always out?

it can . The return on investment without GOVT subsidies is shorter than it was WITH GOVT subsidies 5 years ago. We are there TODAY. We also have the technology to back up solar when the sun aint shining. In regards to the GRID, Jerry Brown signed a very important law which allows individuals to move credits back to the utes, and get credit for them. In regards to the states where its not feasible....cant help there. But then again, I live here BECAUSE of the sun and sport.
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coboardhead



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boggsman is correct.

I am designing a new house with solar electric. It looks like solar will still pencil out close to the same return as my subsidized system on my mountain house. So, the way I look at it...the subsidies worked.
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solar hot water is required in new construction here in Maui by the building code.The combination of subsidies and expensive electricity has created a mindset where everyone agrees that solar is an important house feature.
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mac



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A colleague of mine. A scientist--you know, does peer reviewed work. If you want to actually know something about the science, poke around on his site:

http://www.richardsomerville.com/writing.html
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nw30



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn, it must be just around the corner!!!!
Not that he feels like his credibility is still intact, or not, it's BHO's world after all.
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Obama orders government to prepare for impact of global warming
By Dave Boyer
Friday, November 1, 2013

President Obama issued an executive order Friday directing a government-wide effort to boost preparation in states and local communities for the impact of global warming.

The action orders federal agencies to work with states to build “resilience” against major storms and other weather extremes. For example, the president’s order directs that infrastructure projects like bridges and flood control take into consideration climate conditions of the future, which might require building structures larger or stronger — and likely at a higher price tag.

“The impacts of climate change — including an increase in prolonged periods of excessively high temperatures, more heavy downpours, an increase in wildfires, more severe droughts, permafrost thawing, ocean acidification and sea-level rise — are already affecting communities, natural resources, ecosystems, economies and public health across the nation,” the presidential order said. “The federal government must build on recent progress and pursue new strategies to improve the nation’s preparedness and resilience.”

There’s no estimate of how much the additional planning will cost. Natural disasters including Superstorm Sandy cost the U.S. economy more than $100 billion in 2012, according to the administration.

The White House is also setting up a task force of state and local leaders to offer advice to the federal government, with several Democratic governors having agreed to serve and at least one Republican governor, from the U.S. territory of Guam.

Mr. Obama has a goal of reducing U.S. greenhouse gas emissions by 17 percent by 2020, and the Environmental Protection Agency is working on rules that would impose tougher regulations on coal-burning power plants. But much of the president’s climate-change agenda has stalled in Congress, and the administration says the new order recognizes that global greenhouse gas emissions are still rising, making further damage from global warming inevitable.

At a speech at Georgetown University in June, Mr. Obama outlined executive actions he would take to require government and private industry to prepare for the effects of climate change.

“The question is not whether we need to act,” Mr. Obama said at the time. “The question is whether we will have the courage to act before it’s too late.”


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/1/obama-orders-government-prep-global-warming/#ixzz2jQcVZU4N
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Yeah, global warming will act as a great distraction from the woes of Obamacare, good luck with that.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Damn, it must be just around the corner!!!!
Not that he feels like his credibility is still intact, or not, it's BHO's world after all. "


Keep drinkin that tequila NW, you crack me up!! Laughing Laughing

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pueno



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:

Not that he feels like his credibility is still intact...

He has a boatload more than you. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pueno wrote:
nw30 wrote:

Not that he feels like his credibility is still intact...

He has a boatload more than you. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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I'll bet.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:


No need to brag about your boat, Mr. Turdy.




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