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nw30



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It must really suck when weather gets in the way of climate.
Weather should really stay out of the equation, it just screws everything up.

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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Weather is not climate, climate is not weather Bard. Look it up.


Like I said, I'm looking forward to the warm up...because when it was warmer, we had better surf and wind down here.
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coboardhead



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hottest June on record in much of Colorado. Bark beetles now reproducing twic a year instead of once. Forest fires at higher elevations than usual. First time in twenty years I cannot see any snow from my house this time of year.

Fortunately, Atlanta is cooler than usual.
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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bark beetles are a horrible problem for those of us who love the pine forests. However another record low fell today in Atlanta. A high temperature of 67 degrees in the middle of August!

My prediction is that Colorado will have a record breaking cold winter. Let's see. This should also help kill some of the beetles.
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coboardhead



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neither Colorado's drought and heat wave or the cooler summer in the Southeast, necessarily, have anything to do with climate change.

Even the potential solar cycles that the Russions predict may cause cooling, would only mask the ongoing effects of continual carbon loading on the atmosphere. We should expect that weather will continue to cycle as it has.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then why uproot our economy to tweak it?
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mac



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually I ignore Isobars because he lacks the self-assurance to actually debate a point. But this kind of comment is the magic merging of tin-hat nonsense and oil company propaganda:

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Then why uproot our economy to tweak it?


Nobody is talking about uprooting our economy, or even dramatic changes, to accelerate the transition to renewable energy. The economy has been de-carbonizing, without much in the way of governmental policy, for over thirty years. The suggestions made by Jimmy Carter, and most thinking people since then, involved a modest carbon tax. If you pay any attention to the actual literature--and I have cited libertarian approaches that are quite thoughtful--you would realize that it takes much less oil/carbon fuel to produce a billion dollars of domestic product, in most countries, than it did 30 years ago. During the Carter administration, oil was priced at about $12/barrel. Recent prices have been as high as $125/barrel.

Compared to this price change, which has enriched oil producers in totalitarian countries and oil companies, the changes suggested by Jimmy Carter and many others are nearly trivial. Modest fees that develop technology don't uproot the economy, but they prepare it for inevitable change.

Spin that propeller Professor Fick! How's the reception from aliens in your tin hat?
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keycocker



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those who don't believe in climate change have invented a giant destruction of the economy as their only solution.
Since that is a very bad idea, obviously there is no climate change.
Duh....
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the topic of climate change and rising seas, National Geographic has included an interesting article in their recently released September 2013 issue. While the article is presented more for the layman than the sophisticated scientist, it does cover enough serious focus points to send a telling message. One of the foldouts depicts the geography of the world if all the world's ice melts. It can happen, as evidenced by scientific study of the earth 50 million years ago, and if it does, the seas would rise an estimated 216 feet. Needless to say, an awful lot of low elevation locales would cease to exist above the water, and many of them are highly populated. Even as early as 2100, if we continue warming as predicted, the coastal areas of Florida would be toast, and not much could be done to fend it off. Given the porosity of limestone, which is virtually the structural foundation of the state's land, intruding seawater would eliminate the primary sources of freshwater.

The way that I see it, as time marches on, it will become harder to be a climate change denier, particularly if you live in a low lying area. All one has to do is look at what happened to New York City with Superstorm Sandy to see that the effects of climate change are knocking at the door.
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nw30



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yikes SW, you sound just like Ted Danson when back in the late 80's he predicted that our oceans would be dead in 20 years.
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