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GURGLETROUSERS



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All just propaganda from people like those Russian knucle-heads who claimed signs of imminent global cooling. Silly fools don't realise that random events are just meaningless weather, and the warming science is settled.

Give them a course of correction, say I!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those interested, evidence continues to amass:

http://oehha.ca.gov/multimedia/epic/2013EnvIndicatorReport.html
http://mahb.stanford.edu/consensus-statement-from-global-scientists/

I'm not expecting a real rebuttal from the deniers. After all, if someone thinks that two or three mistakes in the latest IPPC report means that it is all a myth, someone is clearing profiting, not thinking.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where to start? (Or, to be precise, where to stop!)

As this consensus puts it, one of the biggest (the biggest to my mind) threats to the human race is uncontrolled population explosion. (8.5 billion estimated by 2050.)

And their solution? Quote, 'Bring the worlds population growth to an end as soon as possible, and begin a gradual decline.' And how in their opinion, apart from compulsion, is this miracle to be achieved? (Selective quote) by, 'ensuring that everyone has access to ECONOMIC opportunities.'

If anybody can explain how 8.5 billion people can all live to the same conspicuous consumption standards as the worlds leading developed economies, while saving the human race from global warming, complete depletion of resources, and disaster, I'd like to hear it!

The human problem will be solved. It will be solved as it always has been when peoples needs conflict with supply, by WAR. Only this time, it will be nuclear, and for real!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GURGLETROUSERS wrote:

If anybody can explain how 8.5 billion people can all live to the same conspicuous consumption standards as the worlds leading developed economies, while saving the human race from global warming, complete depletion of resources, and disaster, I'd like to hear it!

Stem cell burgers!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

windoggie wrote:

Stem cell burgers!

Sergey sliders for everyone!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More from the Climate Depot
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Major Danish Daily Newspaper Warns: ‘Globe May Be On Path To Little Ice Age…Much Colder Winters…Dramatic Consequences’!

Paper features Danish solar physicist Henrik Svensmark on the subject of the UN IPCC: '…many of the climate models used by IPCC and others overestimate the influence of CO2 and underestimate the influence of the sun. … The IPCC is very one-sided, so I don’t think there will be anything reasonable in the next report.'

By: Marc Morano - Climate DepotAugust 9, 2013 9:49 AM


Another major European media outlet is asking: Where’s the global warming?

The August 7 edition of Denmark’s Jyllands-Posten, featured a major 2-page article on the globe’s 15-years of missing warming and the potential solar causes and implications.

Moreover, they are featuring prominent skeptic scientists who are warning of a potential little ice age and dismissing CO2 as a major climate driver. And all of this just before the release of the IPCC’s 5AR, no less!

The August 7 print edition of the Danish Jyllands-Posten, the famous daily that published the “Muhammad caricatures“, features a full 2-page article bearing the headline: ”The behavior of the sun may trigger a new little ice age” followed by the sub-headline: “Defying all predictions, the globe may be on the road towards a new little ice age with much colder winters.”

So now even the once very green Danish media is now spreading the seeds of doubt. So quickly can “settled science” become controversial and hotly disputed. The climate debate is far from over. And when it does end, it looks increasingly as if it’ll end in favor of the skeptics.

The JP writes that “many will be startled” by the news that a little ice age is a real possibility. Indeed, western citizens have been conditioned to think that nothing except warming is possible. Few have prepared for any other possibility.

In its latest 2-page report, the JP now appears to tell its readers that our views on climate science have to be much more open minded and unshackled from the chains of dogmatism.

JP starts by reminding readers that it was just over 100 years ago that the world had clawed itself out of the little ice age, which extended from 1400 – 1900, a time when the Thames river often froze over. All paths in determining the cause of the little ice age all seem to converge to a single factor: solar activity.

The Jyllands-Posten quotes David Hathaway:

‘We now have the lowest solar activity in 100 years,’ David Hathaway from American space research institute NASA newly concluded in connection to the release of new figures for the sun’s activity. He said the activity for the ongoing cycle is half of the previous cycle, and he predicted an even lower activity for the next cycle, which will hit us in few years.”

Suddenly even the greenest of media outlets among us are contemplating what the consequences of a quiet sun may be. The JP then quotes Irish solar specialist Ian Elliott, who says these consequences could be dramatic:

It indicates that we may be on the path to a new little ice age. It seems likely we are on the path to a period with very low solar activity, which could mean that we may have some very cold winters.”

Elliott then cites the ice-cold winters of 2009 and 2010 as early signs.

JP then cites at length Danish astrophysicist Henrik Svensmark, who needs no introduction:

Since the 1940s and up to 10 years ago we have had the highest solar activity in 1000 years. The last time we had solar activity that high was when we had the Medieval Warm Period from year 1000 to around 1300. … Historically there has been a close connection between solar activity and temperature for the last 1000 years. Therefore the sun’s activity will also have influence the coming many years. … The unusual thing right now is that sun’s activity is decreasing while there’s a great increase in atmospheric CO2. For that reason the question is how much the earth will cool in a time of decreasing solar activity. … The development is beautifully consistent with a cooling effect of the solar activity in the same period. This could mean that the temperature will not rise for the next 30 years or maybe begin to decrease.”

JP also quotes Svensmark on the subject of the IPCC: “…many of the climate models used by IPCC and others overestimate the influence of CO2 and underestimate the influence of the sun. … The IPCC is very one-sided, so I don’t think there will be anything reasonable in the next report.”

Where did all the heat go?

In the second part of the JP’s feature story on climate science, the daily asks whatever happened to all the missing warming?

Despite predictions that the temperature on the globe should rise with a huge speed, nothing has really happened the last 10-15 years. However climate scientists are insisting we are in the middle of the heaviest global warming maybe ever, and that the temperature will rise with at least 2-4 degrees towards the year 2100.”

JP asks scientist Sebastian Mernild of the Glaciology and Climate Change Laboratory Center for Scientific Studies in Chile, who insists that ocean currents have taken the heat “down to the deep sea”.

Once unthinkable just a few years ago, the European media and JP are now starting to admit the oceans are a poorly understood wild card in the climate equation after all. JP openly states, “The oceans are generally regarded as the big wildcard in the climate discussion.” Jylland Posten ends its 2-page feature story with questions and comments by Svensmark:

How should ocean water under 700 meters be warmed up without a warming in the upper part? … In the period 1990-2000 you could see a rise in the ocean temperatures, which fit with the greenhouse effect. But it hasn’t been seen for the last 10 years. Temperatures don’t rise without the heat content in the sea increasing. Several thousand buoys put into the sea to measure temperature haven’t registered any rise in sea temperatures.”


http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/08/09/major-danish-daily-newspaper-warns-globe-may-be-on-path-to-little-ice-agemuch-colder-wintersdramatic-consequences/

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But Barbara Boxer won't be deterred, the wild fires in Cali. are a result of global warming, she insists.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/08/08/sen-boxer-severe-fire-season-in-southland-evidence-of-climate-change/

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But Fox News mentioned that, making it untrue in these guys' world.
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GURGLETROUSERS



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only certainty I'm clear about N.W. is that in 30 years time when this cooling cycle should be obvious, I'll be 105!

I'll probably have given up winter North Sea windsurfing by then, and will just be standing there jibbering, watching the ice-bergs slowly drifting by. I may or may not be muttering, 'ee, I never seen owt like that when I were a lad!.'

I think you were on to something when you started this thread.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The obvious solution to the coming global cooling is to pump out more CO2, to help maintain our warmth.

Wouldn't this be an interesting twist 10-20 years from now.

I don't know what is or isn't true about Global warming/cooling, and I doubt that many scientists know what is or isn't happening and why, but in time they will get it right. Then we can determine how to best manage the problem.

Will electric cars be a good thing in a small ice age? We will have to keep the batteries warm so they will work with internal combustion engines. We may end up with a sh&t load of batteries that aren't much good.
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