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coboardhead



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac's post was a bit of "inconvenient truth", wasn't it? There...back on topic! Wink
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mac



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing
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mrgybe



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of inconvenient truths, it's fascinating to observe the moderating language from some on this topic. Just a few years ago, following the latest IPCC assessment, the G8 and the world's major science academies breathlessly told us......

"climate change is happening even faster than previously estimated. The need for urgent action to address climate change is now indisputable."

Others remained unconvinced. More than three years ago a very wise man wrote on this forum.....
the most interesting man in the world wrote:
To suggest that there is no basis for a healthy distrust of current global warming science is absurd and is symptomatic of the arrogance displayed by a segment of the scientific community when dismissing the arguments of "deniers" or "flat earthers". Scientists should be curious and constantly questioning.......this crowd is neither, they are only interested in convincing us (as opposed to proving) they are right. I'm a long way from buying it.

This, and similar statements, were greeted with a torrent of scorn........."oil company flack", "apologist for the carbon industry" and other erudite accusations flowed from the pen of those who knew so much better. Yet now, we discover that those same accusers have been skeptical of the data all along!! Who knew!! And they also reveal that the real problem is that Republicans, coal and oil companies have blocked funding for proper research.......with more funding the scientists would have got it right. Funny old world isn't it?
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pueno



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrgybe wrote:

Others remained unconvinced. More than three years ago a very wise man wrote on this forum.....
the most interesting man in the world wrote:
To suggest that there is no basis for a healthy distrust of current global warming science is absurd and is symptomatic of the arrogance displayed by a segment of the scientific community when dismissing the arguments of "deniers" or "flat earthers". Scientists should be curious and constantly questioning.......this crowd is neither, they are only interested in convincing us (as opposed to proving) they are right. I'm a long way from buying it.

Yes, yes.... and that "most interesting man in the world" was none other than...

...you, Mr. G.

Not only are you quoting yourself, but you pat yourself on the back -- just as you did three years ago.

You put the I in wise and the I in interesting.

Hubris, anyone?

Mr. G. has enough to share with all.
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mrgybe



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can't get anything past you can we? Sharp as a tack.
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pueno



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrgybe wrote:
We can't get anything past you can we? Sharp as a tack.

You are one funny guy, Mr. G.

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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techno900



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"inconvenient truth"? How about convenient untruth or spin?

Mac's new job numbers are absolutely meaningless unless you add the job losses, those giving up on job searches and those working part time. It's the net figure that counts, not the "feel good" spin that the government and media push on the American public. 7.7% unemployment is a laughing matter.

Take a look at the real figures..........from the US Department of Labor. Percentage of the adult population working month to month.

From ETF Daily News: The Real Story Behind The Unemployment Rate?

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March 10th, 2013
The mainstream media is absolutely giddy that the U.S. unemployment rate has hit a “four-year low” of 7.7 percent. But is unemployment in the United States actually going down? After all, you would think that it should be. The Obama administration has “borrowed” more than 6 trillion dollars from future generations of Americans, interest rates have been pushed to all-time lows, and the Federal Reserve has been wildly printing more money in a desperate attempt to “stimulate” the economy. So have those efforts been successful? Well, according to the mainstream media, the U.S. unemployment rate is falling steadily. Headlines all over the nation boldly declared that “236,000 jobs” were added to the economy in February, but what they didn’t tell you was that the number of Americans “not in the labor force” rose by 296,000. And that is how they are getting the unemployment rate to go down – by pretending that huge numbers of unemployed Americans don’t want jobs. Sadly, as you will see below, the truth is that the percentage of working age Americans that have a job is just 0.1% higher than it was exactly three years ago. And we have not even come close to getting back to where we were before the last economic crisis. For example, more than 146 million Americans were employed back in 2007. But today, only 142.2 million Americans have a job even though our population has grown steadily since then. So where in the world is this “economic recovery” that they keep talking about?


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Data for the employment-population ratio from the beginning of 2008 is posted below…

2008-01-01 62.9
2008-02-01 62.8
2008-03-01 62.7
2008-04-01 62.7
2008-05-01 62.5
2008-06-01 62.4
2008-07-01 62.2
2008-08-01 62.0
2008-09-01 61.9
2008-10-01 61.7
2008-11-01 61.4
2008-12-01 61.0
2009-01-01 60.6
2009-02-01 60.3
2009-03-01 59.9
2009-04-01 59.8
2009-05-01 59.6
2009-06-01 59.4
2009-07-01 59.3
2009-08-01 59.1
2009-09-01 58.7
2009-10-01 58.5
2009-11-01 58.6
2009-12-01 58.3
2010-01-01 58.5
2010-02-01 58.5
2010-03-01 58.5
2010-04-01 58.7
2010-05-01 58.6
2010-06-01 58.5
2010-07-01 58.5
2010-08-01 58.5
2010-09-01 58.5
2010-10-01 58.3
2010-11-01 58.2
2010-12-01 58.3
2011-01-01 58.3
2011-02-01 58.4
2011-03-01 58.4
2011-04-01 58.4
2011-05-01 58.4
2011-06-01 58.2
2011-07-01 58.2
2011-08-01 58.3
2011-09-01 58.4
2011-10-01 58.4
2011-11-01 58.5
2011-12-01 58.6
2012-01-01 58.5
2012-02-01 58.6
2012-03-01 58.5
2012-04-01 58.5
2012-05-01 58.6
2012-06-01 58.6
2012-07-01 58.5
2012-08-01 58.4
2012-09-01 58.7
2012-10-01 58.7
2012-11-01 58.7
2012-12-01 58.6
2013-01-01 58.6
2013-02-01 58.6

So is there anyone out there that still wants to insist that the employment picture in the United States is getting significantly better?

Anyone that wants to claim that “unemployment is going down” should at least wait until the unemployment-population ratio gets back up to 59 percent. Otherwise they just look foolish.
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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are right about Macs numbers being meaningless. America is becoming a 3rd world nation thanks to Obama and guys like Mac. We might have more money to throw at global climate issues, if we had a more vibrant economy. There are plenty of $10-12 an hour jobs for people, but the real job boom has collapsed.

I was listening to Allentown by Billy Joel today, and couldn't help but feel sad about big government and big corporate greed and incompetence. Too big to fail was a failure. Banks still haven't forclosed on homeowners who have been delinquent for years. Why? I know a bunch of guys who haven't paid their mortgages in over 3 years. Why? Boggs can you answer that? Seems like Bush2 to me.

And today in Cyprus. We're just taking 10% of your savings......sorry.


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swchandler



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900, I'm just curious. Maybe you can explain what "the employment-population ratio" really is for us regular folks and why it means so much. While I realize that you are just quoting something you picked up from a non-mainstream media source, it would be good to know where the statistical data came from, and what's really behind the yearly number.
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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chandler, this is straight from the Bureau of Labor Statistics..there is a shortage of high paying jobs in America. I'm paying guys half of what I paid them 10 years ago, and still making less money.
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