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isobars



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coboardhead wrote:
It is easy to poke fun at the other posters.

Endless baseless denigration/libel/ad hominem is neither fun nor funny except for the simple-minded.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you ever look at yourself in the mirror in an introspective way when you spew insults and offer negative opinions about others?
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pueno



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikey wrote:

Endless baseless denigration/libel/ad hominem is neither fun nor funny except for the simple-minded.

Just like you endlessly do with our President.
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stevenbard



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From my previous post...Fossil fuels for example derived their energy from the sun.

Mac and Pueno, read the last sentence. I understand that the permafrost in melting creating way more c02 than humans. It has melted in the past creating c02 and warming the planet. This is nothing new, and you guys are being fooled by the warming alarmists, who are profiting mightily with their sham.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How are they profiting?
Note that I don't accept the certainty of human caused global warming because of the paucity of data, but I am sure the big money in the data is paid by the carbon industry.
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pueno



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevenbard wrote:
...and you guys are being fooled by the warming alarmists, who are profiting mightily with their sham.

It would seem that the largest profits in the energy sector are taken by Chevron, Exxon, etc., NOT "warming alarmists."

Who are these "alarmists," and by what mechanism do they profit financially?
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isobars



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A net result of higher CO2 levels is greater global green mass over the recent industrial decades. Maybe the planet, or God (or, for me and the liberals, Mother Nature) is smarter than we think.

So is Al Gore. The dude is at hundreds of millions and still climbing, thanks to the liberals and global terrorist supporters who buy his $#!+.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

keycocker wrote:
How are they profiting?
Note that I don't accept the certainty of human caused global warming because of the paucity of data, but I am sure the big money in the data is paid by the carbon industry.


For starters the Chicago climate exchange with investors like Al Gore, John Corzine and others connected to Obama. Furthermore, Solyndra and other "green energy" take money from the govt, put it into their right pocket, and then contribute to Dems from their left pocket.

Just look up who's made money from the Chicago Climate Exchange. This was set up by ultra libs anticipating a big payoff from global warming legislation. Happily, draconian legislation has been stalled.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excerpts from "Green Cars Have a Dirty Little Secret; Producing and charging electric cars means heavy carbon-dioxide emissions" by Lomborg via the WSJ at http://tinyurl.com/c44qy8g :
A 2012 comprehensive life-cycle analysis in Journal of Industrial Ecology shows that almost half of the lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions from an electric car come from the energy used to produce the car ... Brand new, it has already been responsible for 30,000 pounds of carbon-dioxide emission, the equivalent of 80,000 miles of travel in the vehicle. The amount for making a conventional car: 14,000 pounds.

So unless the electric car is driven a lot, it will never get ahead environmentally. Yet BBC tests of the Nissan Leaf show that its range is ≤ 73 miles, long road trips average 6 mph because recharging takes so long, and battery performance decreases by 25% with age to drop range to 55 miles. Thus an MIT Technology Review cautioned last year: "Don't Drive Your Nissan Leaf Too Much" ... [partly because it contributes more to AGW than do gasoline powered cars unless driven well over 50,000 miles?] If driven that much -- against BBC and MIT advice -- the Leaf might save $45 altogether in climate change, yet the U.S. federal government essentially subsidizes electric-car buyers with up to $7,500, gives more than $5.5 billion in federal grants and loans to battery and electric-car manufacturers who are already shifting their technology away from this disappointing technology.

Still, Obama has promised a million electric cars on the road by 2015.

Again, lefties, is he that stupid, or does he just believe we're that stupid? It has to be one or the other, and both should bother you.
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GURGLETROUSERS



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

K.C.,S.B., and Pueno. To seperate two things, cimate change which most agree is/will happening/happen, and what's to be done about it, we have over here what many of us see as rampant profiteering from our governments obeyance of E.U. climate change initiatives and regulations. That is why some of us refer to it as 'an industry'.

In two years time all of our coal fired power stations (the backbone of our countries reliable power supplies) must close, or switch to using less efficient (wood chips I think) means of firing, in compliance with E.U. law. Also, our network of nuclear power plants, all of which are rapidly reaching the end of their working lives, will be decommissioned.

All serious (that is realistic as against pie in the sky) analysis shows that in the near future our country will face a serious power supply shortage. In accordance with E.U. climate change initiatives our government has been dishing out billions of pounds in subsidies to the wind turbine cause. Landowners, power companies, and construction companies have jumped on the money tree bandwagon, and huge wind farms are sprouting all over our nation. (40 turbines are currently under construction on an offshore reef at our main surfing/windsurfing beach.)

Again, all serious and realistic analysis shows that theses wind farms will never be able to produce continuous and reliable power supplies in the quantity needed without a complete network of conventional standby stations also in operation.

It seems abundantly clear that, if we are not allowed to keep our coal fired stations, and wind power won't supply our needs, the only realistic option is to immediately build a network of new nuclear power stations. Either that, or the lights start going out, along with our economy!

P.S. Don't mention solar. We rarely see the sun.
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