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techno900
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coboardhead,
Then from what you say and what I know, it seems that the primary purpose of including contraceptives in the ACA is to help minimize unwanted pregnancies. The premise being that if insurance pays for contraceptives, then women will most likely be more proactive about using them. However, my two previous questions that were jumped over:
| Quote: | 6. With co-pays and deductibles (assuming they will continue to exist in Obama care), will that make it any easier to access contraceptives?
7. If the free clinics stop offering contraceptives and the insured are stuck with co-pays and or deductibles, will this make it harder and more costly to access contraceptives? I assume that the clinics will figure this out and still offer free contraceptives, but who knows. |
It seems that if money is the issue, and co-pays and deductibles apply, then the effort to include contraceptives in the ACA seems fruitless. They will still have to pay. |
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mrgybe
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| So we can conclude from the responses on the previous page that there is no evidence to support the proposition that a vast majority of practicing Catholics are tolerant of abortion......and that this was just another fabrication in a long series of such whoppers. As for Pope Benedict, the head of the Catholic church, proclaiming that only Catholics will go to heaven......a clear contradiction of Catholic doctrine.......I'll leave it to others to decide whether that is likely. |
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windoggie
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All I want to know is how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
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isobars
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| mrgybe wrote: | | So we can conclude from the responses on the previous page that there is no evidence to support the proposition that a vast majority of practicing Catholics are tolerant of abortion......and that this was just another fabrication in a long series of such whoppers. As for Pope Benedict, the head of the Catholic church, proclaiming that only Catholics will go to heaven......a clear contradiction of Catholic doctrine.......I'll leave it to others to decide whether that is likely. |
If you wanted proof, you'd Google it. It's well documented. |
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mac
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Not at all surprised that the man who favors junk science and attacking environmental protection would insist in an interpretation that labels me a liar. I guess you won't be looking for a reference for a wise woman that might teach you to listen. |
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coboardhead
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | coboardhead,
Then from what you say and what I know, it seems that the primary purpose of including contraceptives in the ACA is to help minimize unwanted pregnancies. The premise being that if insurance pays for contraceptives, then women will most likely be more proactive about using them. However, my two previous questions that were jumped over:
| Quote: | 6. With co-pays and deductibles (assuming they will continue to exist in Obama care), will that make it any easier to access contraceptives?
7. If the free clinics stop offering contraceptives and the insured are stuck with co-pays and or deductibles, will this make it harder and more costly to access contraceptives? I assume that the clinics will figure this out and still offer free contraceptives, but who knows. |
It seems that if money is the issue, and co-pays and deductibles apply, then the effort to include contraceptives in the ACA seems fruitless. They will still have to pay. |
Techno
Contraceptives will not be subject to any copays or deductibles as preventative care. Same with colonoscopies, mammograms, blood screening and prostate cancer screening. I have a ACA approved policy (Colorado is ahead of the curve on this). I do not pay anything for these services. They are included in my base rates for health insurance.
I do not know what will become of organizations that provide contraceptives...I suppose they will need to become clinics that provide more medical care to survive. I never really thought what would happen to Planned Parenthood. Wouldn't it be great if their mission was no longer needed? |
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mrgybe
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Edited to let him off the hook. It's the humane thing to do.
Last edited by mrgybe on Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:09 am; edited 1 time in total |
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mrgybe
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| boggsman1 wrote: | | He's "my candidate" primarily because I dont want to relive the 2001-2008 period again...it took a lot out of me. History shows that total control of all three branches is not kind to markets or economies. The best combo for legislative success is prez -one party, both houses-another party. Cohesive bills get authored, not grandstanding, then sent to prez. Dems-Reagan...Repubs-Clinton would be your guides to history. With all three in one party's control, there is no checks and balances other than the filibuster. |
Nice try Boggsy. He's your candidate because he has a "D" behind his name.........despite all the evidence. You've already told us you are a lifelong Democrat and proud of it. You and people like you are his only hope. |
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coboardhead
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| mrgybe wrote: | | Berkeley said he would be happy to give me a reference that supports his statement that the vast majority of practicing Catholics are tolerant of abortion. OK. Let's see it. I'm anxious that others here don't think he is a liar. |
What I took away from Mac's post was his point the members of the Catholic Church are more liberal on social issues than the leadership and the leadership is out of touch. A Gallup poll a couple years back indicated that Catholic attitudes on abortion were essentially the same as non-Catholics. (Approx. 40% did not think it was immoral). Additionally, Catholics are more likely to have an abortion than a Protestant.
Most of my family are Catholics. Most personally feel that abortion is immoral, and yet, many are pro-choice. The others look the other way (tolerance). This is also true of my friends. Maybe I run in a more progressive crowd...but, I am buying Mac's argument based on my experience. |
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mrgybe
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I was going to let him off the hook, but your post crossed my edit. Not sure why you feel the need to constantly explain what he meant. His words speak for themselves. However, since the discussion continues, I agree with you......in the US, many Catholics are more lax on social issues than their leadership would like. So-called "cafeteria Catholics" abound.......it's easier that way. Polls, however, are generally worthless because they normally include people who no longer practice Catholicism, or have consciously rejected it as you have.
As for those who "personally" find abortion immoral but are pro-choice, they need to ask themselves why they think abortion is immoral. Do they think that a life is being taken? If not that, what is their objection? And if they do think that a life is being taken, how can they possibly condone that for others? |
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