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mulholland



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Epenrose wrote:
We should all be ashamed that 6% of this nation would not vote for a person simply because of the color of their skin, and we are in 2008.


Yep, that is all that seems to matter to Democrats. In 2008 the Democrats are motivated around a lying black man. The blacks are motivated out of pure unadulterated racism. The white liberals are motivated out of their deeply held white guilt...The fact that the media has white-washed any negative story about Obama reveals the fact that this election is fixed.

Why I don't get about the would-be negro president is that he was raised white, raised with money, went to private schools, went to the best colleges money can buy...Yet he identifies himself with the worst type of black people: He identifies himself with his POS father who abandoned him and his mother. He identifies himself with his "spiritual adviser" of 20+ years (who he later 'renounced'), Reverend Jeremiah Wright...He identifies with inner city black people and their hatred against white people.

Obama has issues and the color of his skin shouldn't erase them.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mulholland, you are a lying scumbag.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Mulholland, you are a lying scumbag.



"you're a poopy face!"... Smile


"No, you are a poopy face!!!".... Very Happy


"MOMMY!!" Crying or Very sad


Oh paaleeeese...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Epenlib Reply with quote

sorenson wrote:
Very Happy This is great because if you read epenrose's response it's obvious that the left is aghast at this: Jeremiah Wright was fine with them (racism against whites - US of KKKA!) but this is over the top! Double Standard? If this guy was spouting hatred about John McCain I'm sure Epenrose would love him! Who is racist? Obama plays the race card all the time. If you don't vote for him you're a racist or if you attack his position on anything you're a racist! I'm tired of you out there that accuse Republicans of being racists and bigots; I will never vote for anyone based on the color of their skin alone; as MLK said a person should be judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. When you are associated with racist ministers (so called "Black Liberation Theology") and an unrepentant anarchist and terrorist (but he got better!), that is telling in my opinion. It has nothing to do with race; it is judgement and character. I have nothing against Obama, I just don't think his policies are good for this country. But I guess I'll just get shouted down as a racist. BTW, this is a Windsurfing forum! I almost forgot!
Can I have an amen brothers and sisters!!! It's only white "intellectuals" that continue to yap on endlessly about this "racist" country. Have any Hispanic, Asian or, perish the thought, Black friends or acquaintances? Have you really gotten down to the "R" topic, not just the happy cumbaya talk. Chances are you might be in for a real surprise. Why is it that 90+% of Blacks polled back "O"? Do they really know what this guy stands for? Obviously not, as evidenced by Howard Stern"s caper the other day when he sent an interviewer to the streets of Harlem to ask "O" supporters if they supported "O"s choice of Sara Palin for his VP ,and other Mc Cain policies which the interviewer represented as "O"s. It's kind of like the guy who wears the Che Guevara T-shirt, he looks cool, too bad he was a mass murderer! In "O"s case, he sounds cool, too bad it's just empty rhetoric! Before you start throwing around the "R" topic, you'd best wash your hands of ANY respect for Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the majority of the Black Caucus in Congress, because ALL of them owe their meal tickets to the evil"R." In my book, there are good people and bad people," niggers"come in ALL colors. I favor the good and descriminate against the bad... Simple enough!!! Rant over-fire away, Bull
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in an interracial marriage. Five of my wifes family were born in Mexico and five here. The 5 born there are wealthy, the 5 born here are service oriented. (teachers ministers not wealthy)

It is so sad and pathetic to me to see Americans who think they need government programs and free health care. Instead of producing, working, acting with purpose, providing for themselves. What gives?

As Arnold Governator said. "I came to America, it was so easy to get rich here".

My friends from high school who were liberals never got rich. They still complain about America. Many work for the government now. My conservative friends are all succesful. It is an attitude thing not a racial thing. The black and hispanic men that I know who are succesful and wealthy have 2 things in common. They know how to work and they have positive (not victims) attitudes. Oh, did I forget to mention, they are also conservatives.....

ps..I do have some liberal friends who are very kind and soft hearted. They are good people with good intentions, just misguided?
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mulholland



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jpbassking wrote:
mac wrote:
Mulholland, you are a lying scumbag.



"you're a poopy face!"... Smile


"No, you are a poopy face!!!".... Very Happy


"MOMMY!!" Crying or Very sad


Oh paaleeeese...


Please don't lump me in with this type of debate tactic. I will not play it...Like my boy Bush, I won't get down in the gutter and respond to infantile personal attacks.
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jp5



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mulholland wrote:

Please don't lump me in with this type of debate tactic. I will not play it...Like my boy Bush, I won't get down in the gutter and respond to infantile personal attacks.



yeah sure, no problemo. I would like to point out that you have pretty much lost your audience.... Shocked
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nealpar



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SteveBard, as a youth baseball coach yourself, I am sure this article below will prove shocking. No?




Former youth baseball coach charged with sex abuse
9/3/2008 4:52 PM
By: News 8 Austin Staff

A 31-year-old Bell County man has been charged with aggravated sexual abuse of a child.

Bond is set at $500,000 for William Thomas Jacobson, who was booked into the Bell County jail Wednesday.

Jacobson was a youth baseball coach in the Little River Academy area for their fire department.

He was also a volunteer firefighter.

Authorities said a 13-year-old boy claims Jacobson began to sexually assault him beginning in mid-2007.

During that time, three more children came forward making the same claim.

Jacobson and his wife initially fled to Houston.

They were both arrested in August in Laredo.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG, this is more pervasive than one wants to believe. More stories of "nice", "conservative", "family oriented" people doing unspeakable things. Makes one wonder about people in general. THINGS ARE NEVER AS THEY APPEAR TO BE. WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH THESE DAYS TO MEASURE A MAN BY HIS/HER MATERIAL POSSESSIONS.

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Sunday, June 25, 2006
Betrayal of trust
Attentive parents are best safeguard

Monday, June 26, 2006
Six allegedly abused by coach say school officials share blame
Abuser realizes his victims could wind up like him

Tuesday, June 27, 2006
Background checks on coaches can help
It comes down to a kid versus a respected adult


Antonio DeJesus has no secrets left to hide, not behind prison bars and razor wire. He readily admits seducing three boys. They were kids who trusted him, who looked up to him -- until he molested them. DeJesus is now a convicted child sex predator. He used to be a youth baseball coach. He is one of at least 17 youth athletic coaches in North Jersey who have been arrested or sued since 1999 on sexual misconduct allegations, according to published reports and data from the Bergen and Passaic county prosecutors. The coaches' alleged offenses ranged from possession of child pornography to aggravated sexual assault.

Although most coaches would never molest their young athletes, experts agree the number of arrests nationwide is up significantly. "Judging by the amount of court cases and newspaper accounts, it's a frightening number," says Bob Shoop, a professor at Kansas State University and author of "Sexual Exploitation in Schools: How to Spot It and Stop It," published in 2003. "Some states have 20 to 30 cases going on at a time." Because coaches are typically among the most respected figures in the community, such misconduct often goes on undetected. And it can happen in any town, to any family.

David Coonrad never sensed the danger.

Two Bergen County men who coached his teenage daughter in club soccer were arrested in recent years on charges of sexually molesting girls. Coonrad, second vice president of the Ramsey Soccer Association, says he had no idea either coach was a threat until their arrests made the news. "It makes you shaky. It scares you," he says. "It's stuff that you read about in the papers, but suddenly it's close. We're just very grateful that nothing ever happened to our kids."

Others were not so fortunate. Among the 17 coaches arrested or sued:

Tim Zisa, a teacher who coached football and girls track at Wayne Hills, was arrested in May, accused by the Passaic County prosecutor of "sexual petting" with two of his three alleged victims -- in a school closet, a classroom and a trailer used by the track team. Investigators also say Zisa had consensual sex off school grounds with two students, both 18. He taught all three of the alleged victims and coached one of them. The incidents allegedly occurred in the 2004-05 school year.

Zisa was additionally charged with witness tampering for allegedly threatening one girl if she cooperated with authorities.

Keith Ildefonso, who coached North Jersey girls soccer clubs and in the Olympic Development Program, was arrested in 2004 after a 13-year-old player accused him of fondling and sexually assaulting her. That accusation prompted another player, now in her early 20s, to come forward and accuse the Waldwick man of assaulting her when she was 15. His trial is set to begin Oct. 10.
Omar Villanueva, a former gym teacher and basketball coach at St. Elizabeth Seton School in Fairview, was sentenced to five years' probation in 2003 after he was accused of making some of the 11- to 13-year-old boys on the basketball team strip naked before stepping on the scales for a weigh-in. The Bergen County Prosecutor's Office says he had also downloaded child porn onto his home computer.
Former Leonia High School athletic director Robert Quinn was placed on lifelong parole after admitting that from 2001 through 2003 he had repeatedly summoned a 17-year-old boy to his office after wrestling practice to spank him with a belt and ruler. He also groped and massaged the boy and asked the boy to spank him.
DeJesus, in the fifth year of a maximum 26-year sentence in the Adult Diagnostic and Treatment Center, the state's prison for sex offenders, met his victims through baseball. His first victim played on the Paterson Pony League team he coached. The two others were teammates of his son. "I lost everything I had," DeJesus wrote in recent correspondence with The Record from the sex offender prison in the Avenel section of Woodbridge. But that's just part of the story. "The damage and shame the young boys have or are going through," he acknowledges, will last the rest of their lives.

As alarming as the 17 cases are, they likely represent just a fraction of the abuse that occurs. Experts estimate that only 3 percent to 10 percent of all child sexual abuse cases are reported to authorities. Participation in organized sports among 6- to 18-year-olds nationwide has swelled to a range of 20 million to 30 million. The coaching ranks have grown alongside, rising to more than 3 million. Most of these coaches are largely unsupervised by youth league officials who say background checks are expensive and present legal pitfalls.

"They say they've never had a problem," Shoop says. "But they have no idea if they had a problem. They're not reported because the victims fear that they will not be believed or that there will be reprisal. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

"In the large number of cases that I've dealt with, when one person reported it ... many, many people come out and say, 'It happened to me, too.' "

T.D. says it happened to him.

"What's in my head, what he did, will never be erased," says T.D., a 49-year-old business owner who requested he be identified only by his initials. "This guy stole my childhood." T.D. was one of six plaintiffs who sued former River Dell soccer and wrestling coach John Buller for allegedly molesting them back in the 1970s, when most of them were eighth-graders. They also sued the River Dell Regional Board of Education. T.D.'s suit against the school board and River Dell schools remains pending, although his claims against Buller have been dismissed -- not on merit but for being filed too late.

Coaches are the second most common child sex offenders in schools after teachers, accounting for 15 percent of abuse, according to a 2004 U.S. Department of Education report. The report, a survey of previously reported information from government publications, academic research and newspapers and magazines in various states, noted that coaches were more likely to sexually abuse children than were principals, counselors, bus drivers, security guards or teacher's aides. In Washington State, the report said, teacher-coaches were three times more likely to be investigated for sexual offenses than non-coaching teachers. And in Texas, 25 percent of teachers disciplined for sexual misconduct from 1995 through 2003 were music teachers or coaches.

Opportunity

To a molester, youth athletics is opportunity with a capital "O." Beyond high school and middle school sports, there's Little League, town recreation leagues, CYO, AAU and club ball. It's a world where travel and hands-on instruction are not just common but expected. A world where no one questions the hours adults spend with children or the close emotional bonds formed. And it's a world where many parents blindly place their dreams -- and their children -- in the trust of others, hoping for college scholarships or the vicarious thrills of witnessing their offspring's athletic achievements.

Molesters blend right in.

"That is where the kids are and where they're spending a long amount of time," says Kenneth McNiel, a psychologist who has evaluated convicted sex offenders for the Adult Diagnostic and Treatment Center. There is no detailed profile of a child molester, no particular physical look. The vast majority are men, although in 2001, a female athletic trainer in Glen Rock had a six-month affair with a 16-year-old girl. Lois Weierstall served 21 months of a four-year sentence. But the stereotype of the sleazy man in a dirty raincoat skulking in the shadows is dangerously wrong. "People would have the same reaction: These guys seem normal. They seem like my neighbor," says Philip Witt, who was director of research at the Avenel center in the 1980s. "I do think that children look for that [stereotype], and it does make them more vulnerable."

Sexual predators seduce children much the way men and women seduce each other. It's called grooming. Sometimes it takes weeks, sometimes years. It often involves gifts, pornography and alcohol, anything that will strengthen the bond between molester and child and further isolate the child from others. Some molesters even groom parents, ingratiating themselves with families to earn easier access to their children.

But the most powerful tools these coaches use are attention and affection.

"The child molester is going to select the child who is most vulnerable," says Joseph Del Russo, head of the sex crimes unit in the Passaic County Prosecutor's Office. "He's going to select the child who he can fill the need in. He's going to pick out the easy one -- the one who doesn't get the attention he needs, has low self-esteem. "And they know them when they see them."

'Mind control'

Craig Maurizi says he was one of those kids. "It was a long, drawn-out, premeditated process, which I'm sure gratified him in some disgusting way because he had such control over my life," says Maurizi, who accused Richard Callaghan, his former figure skating coach, of sexually abusing him as a teen. Callaghan is not among the 17 North Jersey coaches whose relationships with teenagers prompted legal action. But Maurizi, now 43 and director of figure skating at the Ice House in Hackensack, says the coach is the perfect example of a child seducer. When Maurizi was a young teen, he says, his parents spent more time arguing than anything else. So he welcomed Callaghan's taking on the role of surrogate father, confidant and best friend. But Callaghan took advantage of that closeness, Maurizi says, giving this account: The sexual harassment began at 13. Touching and other inappropriate sexual conduct started two years later, the same year his parents divorced. That grew into a full sexual relationship when he was 18. Maurizi says he broke it off when he was in his early 20s. Still, he continued to work with Callaghan for 13 more years.

"The biggest thing about sexual abuse is the bizarre mental mind control or connection that the abuser has with the person he is abusing," he says. "Even at 37, I couldn't break it. Whenever I was around him, I felt like I was 12 years old." Maurizi says he felt like that for 25 years, first as Callaghan's pupil, then his coaching protege. It didn't change until he made formal complaints to the U.S. Figure Skating Association and the Professional Skaters Association in 1999, charging Callaghan with sexual misconduct and exploitation. Although Callaghan denied Maurizi's claims, the accusations rocked the figure skating world. Callaghan, one of the nation's most successful coaches, had tutored Nicole Bobek to a national title, Todd Eldredge to a world championship and Tara Lipinski to Olympic gold in 1998. Soon after, three other skaters claimed that Callaghan had taken advantage of them, too. But there also was fallout for Maurizi: Callaghan accused him of using the charges to tear away skaters from his former mentor.

The Professional Skaters rejected Maurizi's complaint for a "lack of clear and convincing evidence," while the U.S. Figure Skating Association said merely that he filed too late, beyond the allowed 60 days from the alleged abuse. But the USFSA did follow up with a formal sexual harassment policy and aggressive investigations of alleged sexual misconduct. Today, Maurizi remains troubled by the complex role Callaghan played -- one part father figure and best friend and one part tormentor. "The bond on an emotional level was there for years and years and years, even to this day on some level," he says. "Eighty percent of the things he did were actually good things. He was there when I needed him to be. "He was my father for those years. Even though he screwed me over so badly, he helped me. That's where the big emotional conflict is. In these cases, these people do good things for you. That keeps you on the hook."

Callaghan, who had retired just before the allegations were made public, resumed coaching soon after. He currently coaches at the Onyx-Suburban Skating Academy in Rochester, Mich., something proudly advertised on its Web site. Repeated calls to his attorney failed to yield contact information for Callaghan to comment for this article. "I thought the guy would do it to other people and no one else was going to do anything about it," Maurizi says. "I really wanted this guy to stop coaching and I thought he had been doing it long enough. "I probably had to wait until that age to handle it emotionally. It took me that long to have the guts."

ACCUSED COACHES

At least 17 youth athletic coaches in North Jersey have been sued or arrested on sexual misconduct charges since 1999. The coaches' alleged offenses range from possession of child pornography to aggravated sexual assault:

Coach Where coached Accused of Outcome
Bashir "Billy" Baghdadi Manchester H.S. -- football, track, basketball Aggravated sexual contact Three years' probation
John Buller River Dell M.S., H.S. -- soccer, wrestling Sexual assault, by six plaintiffs Civil lawsuit pending
Jose Cruz St. Thomas More, Midland Park -- basketball St. Leo's School, Elmwood Park -- gym teacher St. Anne's School, Fair Lawn -- gym teacher Paramus Catholic -- volleyball Molesting nine girls Criminal trial begins Monday
Antonio DeJesus Paterson Pony League baseball Sexual assault, three boys 26 years in Avenel
John C. Evans Paramus Catholic -- soccer
Girls club soccer Rape, attempted rape of teenage girls Seven years in Avenel
Adam Feldman Park Ridge H.S. -- winter track Kissing, fondling three teens, Five years' probation, $7,700 fine
Andrew Friedman Kinnelon H.S. -- hockey Endangering welfare of child, Five years' probation
Glenn Ghilardi (not pictured) Little Ferry -- softball Endangering welfare of child Five years' probation
Keith Ildefonso Bergen County club soccer Sexual assault, two girls Criminal trial begins in October
John Johnson Youth coach in Paterson Sexual abuse, three girls 15 years in Avenel
Edward Kotwica Garfield H.S. associate athletic director Aggravated sexual contact Died before trial
Robert "Willie" Quinn Leonia H.S. athletic director Molesting one boyLifelong parole
Ron Skibin St. Joseph H.S. -- hockey Ordering child porn via Internet, Five years' probation
Gary Stayback River Vale youth sports Molesting six girls 30 years in Avenel
Omar Villanueva St. Elizabeth Seton School -- basketball Endangering welfare of child Five years' probation
Lois Weierstall Glen Rock H.S. trainer Sexual assault, 16-year-old girl Served 21 months of four-year sentence
Tim Zisa Wayne Hills H.S. -- football, girls track 2 counts endangering welfare of child, 3 counts official misconduct Grand jury to hear case this summer



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to coach AYSO soccer. While the kids were great it was the parents whose skulls I wanted to bash. Not content with having their child run around with their friends and exhaust some energy, they have to yell at the games and tell me that their kid should play forward when I know the kid would rather stand in the back field and kick dandelions.
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