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jp5
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| mac wrote: | Let me pose a question about a similar activity, riding motorcylces.
We used to joke that motorcylists were also known as organ donors. Is it reasonable to require them to wear helmets, or refuse to give them emergency service if they weren't wearing one? |
I ride a motorcycle to work daily, it get's 50mpg but more importantly I don't mind going to work as much as riding gives me a sense of freedom that work takes away.
In 40 years of riding I have never had contact with another vehicle and the main reason for that is that I ride like someone is trying to hit me, very defensively. This means I know the risks and common sense helps me to minimize them.
I see young people on crotch rockets doing freeway wheelies at 60+ or knee draging around corners on the twisties. These are the potential organ doners you speak of and they are no different to me than the idiot who puts up a kite in a hurricane.
Let's face it, just sitting on the couch all day will give you heart disease so you can add that to your list of dangerous activities. |
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Epenrose
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: |
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jpbassking - Good point.
As a fellow motorcycle computer, sorry crotch rocket (R1) I always avoid riding weekends, amateur hour. You know them, matching fancy gear all colors in a line. Sounds like another sport I know!!
Funny how many people who windsurf/surf also ride motorcycles. |
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jp5
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Epenrose - no appologies necessary, I had a 2000 R1 but sold it because I couldn't trust myself on it. That was one fast motorcycle, which is why I stick to Harley's now.
It is the sense of freedom and the joy of the wind hitting your face! |
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madspaniard
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bikes are fun, I see a similarity with windsurfing, especially the fact that you are surrounded by "wind" when you are riding, the speed, things coming at you, obstacles, feeling naked out there compared to a car,...
I left a bit of my knee and some skin in a crash riding my 2-stroke Yamaya RD 350 some years ago back in Spain. Young and reckless. Scared the heck out of me and my family. |
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isobars
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | | I don't always see any consistency in the libertarian posts on this site that want to punish or judge everyone who makes a mistake, but want no regulation. How about it? |
It's supposed to be a free country, so why regulate against stupidity? OTOH, why should others be required to pay for our stupidity, whether it's smoking or buying a home we can't afford? Everyone can and must make judgments all day every day; what's wrong with that?
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swchandler
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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"Everyone can and must make judgments all day every day; what's wrong with that?"
Oh, now that's interesting, but when are judgments considered attacks? I venture to guess, maybe when you're the target?
You know, isobars, it could be that the injured kiter has health insurance. I've always had health insurance, even when I was a very young man. |
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isobars
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| swchandler wrote: | "Everyone can and must make judgments all day every day; what's wrong with that?"
Oh, now that's interesting, but when are judgments considered attacks? I venture to guess, maybe when you're the target. |
Nope; personal attacks assault the message rather than the messenger, hence the word "personal". And "making" judgments is quite different from publishing them. |
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swchandler
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Your decision to selectively address comments must be legend here. Are you part of an elite clique that can trim and model reality?
Needlessly to say, how about my last two sentences? You've stepped out earlier, soundly inferring that society has to pay the price for a situation like this. Frankly, you've got no facts, just simple bluster, and what's the value in that? |
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windoggi
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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My inital reaction to someone doing something stupit is to take iso's tack...but the reality is ....what do we do with the stupid, uninsured, overweight, clogged up morons that injure themselves and are lying by the side of lifes road? Let them stew in their own juices? Universal health care seems like the only route to take. We smart, careful, intentionaly helmeted ones will have to take up the slack. Alas.
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isobars
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| swchandler wrote: | | how about my last two sentences? You've stepped out earlier, soundly inferring that society has to pay the price for a situation like this. |
A. I don't see any relevance or question in your "last two sentences" ("it could be that the injured kiter has health insurance. I've always had health insurance ... "). The injured rider may also have freckles and I've always had fingernails. So what?
B. I, not you, determine what I comment on.
C. You've refused several direct, topical questions of mine. Pardon me if I don't comment on every inane thing you type.
D. $%^#&&*
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