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jingebritsen



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

www.youtube.com video is called "wavesailing made easy"

The fin forward feature of the Konas makes turning easier without having to step so far bcak compared to a traditional long board.
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colorit



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Location: No. Virginia/Hatteras Island

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice video. I heard from Charlie at Ride Hatteras, he has the 11.5 in stock and the 10.5 coming this week. I hope to hit Hatteras this weekend and give one a try if the conditions prevail. Not to go off topic but light wind and onshore is usually fishing weather for me. Dirty water is when we catch them. When it's offshore to side-off the water clears up the fising slows down and I take the kids surfing. Years ago I had a Nolte custom litewind wave board, Tim put in a Tuttle box for I could use an 11" fin and set the box so that the fin was centered beneath the rear footstrap. so it was about 12-14 inches from the tail if I remember correctly. It really changed the pivot point of the board having it so far forward. I'm also thinking that the board could do double duty by letting the kids sail it as well.

We had some really clean waves and 25 mph winds at the Hatteras Turnout two weekends ago, thing is the waves will hang around for a day or so as the winds back down to the 5-12 mph range. It would be nice to take advantage of them, a longboard could probably do that.


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madmax7



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:45 pm    Post subject: Kona 11.5 vs. 10.5 Reply with quote

K guys, thanks for input,

I reviewed the web page on Exocet, and the choice is between these 2, however how do I determine which?

I am 175lbs, and most of the time there is a breeze, but can you SUP any of these in those rare occasions when its glass?

Also in sailing in lite winds, what's advantage of one over the other, obvious the 10.5 will be a little snapier but at that point I can go to my 110 L exocet?!!

thanks for input,

Max.
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jingebritsen



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Konas excell as windsurfers for all the reasons stated above. I've found it hard to devote the time to become a good SUP. Seen pics and videos of people using smaller boards as SUP. Don't see why one could not with either the 11,5 or 10,5 with enough practice.

11,5 gets my 195 lb (89kg) carcass going in nearly no wind anyway. It rips around waves just fine. The 10,5 rocks even better in slightly more wind. Up to you. I figure one has to be under 150 to become liberated from that "if only I had another 5 mph wind" syndrome with the 10,5.

Fin forward does something better on a plane or a wave. Dunno how to briefly describe it. One does not need to step back for the turns.
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bdegeorge



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jingebritsen wrote:
The anti-windsurfing started with Trip F___'s BS. I've hated his business ever since. A joke, right.

Dunno if you've been paying attn. 12 knots or less = no kiters. Oh yeah, yesterday, wind 8-40 = no kiters again. Looks like kiting was canceled yesterday for a good part of the day. As soon as things got challenging, they cringed.

New joke. What do tampons and kiting have in common? Both have strings with p___'s attached.
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colorit



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Years ago I had a Tim Nolte epoxy custom waveboard. It was an 8'8", very thick probably about 110 ltrs. He put in a tuttle box for using big fins. My favorite at the time was a FinWorks B267. It had a wide swept cord and was close to 11" deep. It was mounted so that it was directly under the rear footstrap, which put it about 13 or 14"s from the tail. That forward position really changed the pivot point for the board. The cut-away tail on the Kona's seems to be the most interesting feature about it. I'm hoping when I try one that I'll be as impressed as John I is with the design.



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rswabsin



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't tried any of the new longboard/ SUP/windsurfers yet but I have been reading through alot of website forums and different reviews. From what I've read, if you are an experienced longboard surfer that likes to "walk" the board and is used to stepping back on the tail for tighter turns, then you might prefer a more traditional shaped longboard windsurfer without the duck tail for light wind waveriding. It probably will already be second nature for you to step back on the tail for turns and move forward to trim the board on small waves (just another consideration). I've been strongly considering the Mistral Pacifico because the appearance of the duck tail just looks unnatural. But the benefits of the duck tail are well explained in the above posts. The best review for the Pacifico I've found is at bigwinds.com; click on the SUP section of their site and then the Pacifico (there's two reviews of the board here).

Rob
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madmax7



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:02 am    Post subject: Long board Reply with quote

Hey Jinge,
I was thinking of a longboard with a sail so that in a breeze I could get out and play in surf without paddling, either surf style or SUP. Thus I was thinking to get a board that I could "waddle" out in with maybe a 5.7 sail to catch some play time in sub 10mph conditions.
However you bring up the planning aspect and it seems like you own the 11.5 Kona (is your board old Kona with dagger or new without?) and get it planning and have a good time with it in 8 to 12 mph?

What sails do u usually rig for say 2 to 8mph vs 8 to 12 mph?

Or do you pretty much stick to the same sail?

Also, what decisions you make based on surf? I'm not much of a surfer so I would probably limit myself to <5 ft. surf. Hopefully get some more experience with this rig.

THanks for advice, specially since you own the equip.
Max.
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jingebritsen



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rswabsin, I've used traditional long boards surfing and windsurfing. Stepping back is not always a good thing, esp if it checks the momentum too much. Duck tails, cosmetically may look a little silly to those that have not tried them, I suppose. Having a more alive feeling when planing, and not having to step so far back are great features. Sailing is believing.

madmax7, I'm typically on a 7.4 to a 6.2 Aerotech Phantom with the Cuben fiber construction while bobbing for waves. 6.8 being the swing size from longboard to Exo-Wave 105. Sometimes the wind gets shiddy, so I'll board up instead of rig up...

http://www.aerotechsails.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1574

This link shows video of 7.4 Cuben and 11,5 Kona in small waves with onshore wind, and a still with the 11,5 and a 6.2 Cuben. Yeah, start out doing the small stuff. Sideshore winds are easier.

http://www.exocet-original.com/index_en.asp

Click on the Kona logo at the top of the page, and then products, then 11,5. No dagger. I've used the dagger on the Kona One with great success when getting pushed back by some really beefy waves from time to time. Typically overhead stuff with tight durations and an emminent blow forecasted that hasn't shown its full wind yet. Often, when the wind does come, I just keep sailing the long boards.

Either Kona for heavies is good. At about 150lbs or 68 kgs, the 10,5 rocks too.
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jingebritsen



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sailed all day yesterday while the short boarders watched. Wind was 10-20 with low teens avg slowly turned more sideshore as the day progressed at Jetty Park, just north of Cocoa Beach, FL. Waves were 2-6 foot. Great stuff.
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