myiW Current Conditions and Forecasts Community Forums Buy and Sell Services
 
Hi guest · myAccount · Log in
 SearchSearch   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   RegisterRegister 
larger sail quivers
Goto page Previous  1, 2
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    iWindsurf Community Forum Index -> Southwest USA, Hawaii, Mexico
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
isobars



Joined: 12 Dec 1999
Posts: 18325

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem I find with borderline winds -- which I define as that 18-20 mph range for me -- is that they so often progress quickly to the low 20s where I can go to a 5.7 and a smaller board. Thus if I rig my 6.2 and 9x liters for the 18-20 stuff, I can quickly abandon it for 5.7 and 8x liters. And of course the low 20s often gets replaced quickly by mid 20s, where I switch to 5.2 and 7x liters. Thus I rig bigger sails only if I don't expect more wind soon, so my bigger sails -- 5.7 and 6.2 -- get used rarely.

There's no way I'm going to sail a 6.2 because it's blowing 20 at 8 AM when we expect to be on 4.2s from 11 'til dark. I bought my 7.5 rig and 114 liter slalom board for those days that blow 18 mph for 10 hours. I've seen about two of them since I bought the stuff 8 years ago.

Bigger sails and boards -- say a 6.2 on 95 liters -- have a narrow window because they won't work for me at 16-17 mph and are abandoned the minute a 5.7 and 85 liters work (low 20s), which in turn are abandoned the minute 5.2 and 75 liters work (mid 20s). OTOH, as log as te average wind runs up and down between 23ish and 29ish, I'm sticking to the 5.2 to eradicate lulls.

Thus overall, my 6.2 or 5.7 each have a 3-4 mph average wind speed range by CHOICE, whereas smaller sails get used in a far wider wind range because I'm not rigging down to a 4.x until I'm SURE it will be powered up every moment. IOW, I'll stick to an overpowered 5.2 or 4.x FAR longer than I'll stick to an overpowered 5.7 or 6.2 simply because on the 5.2 and down I've got good swell and am on a small board.

Just stuff to think about.

Mike \m/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mogunn



Joined: 03 Apr 2006
Posts: 1301
Location: SF Bay

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:36 pm    Post subject: sticky fingers? Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
The problem I find with borderline winds -- which I define as that 18-20 mph range for me -- blah, blah blah...


isobars wrote:
The problem I find with borderline winds -- which I define as that 18-20 mph range for me -- blah, blah blah...


Dude, wash your hands. Get rid of those sticky fingers. Nobody needs to read your stuff twice. Shocked

_________________
mo
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
isobars



Joined: 12 Dec 1999
Posts: 18325

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most people are intelligent enough to stop reading it the second time.
Some are even discerning enough to ignore it the first time.
Then there's Brucie.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
isobars



Joined: 12 Dec 1999
Posts: 18325

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Test:
Most people are intelligent enough to stop reading it the second time.
Some are even discerning enough to ignore it the first time.
Then there's Brucie.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
isobars



Joined: 12 Dec 1999
Posts: 18325

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Final exam:
Most people are intelligent enough to stop reading it the second time.
Some are even discerning enough to ignore it the first time.
Then there's Brucie.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mogunn



Joined: 03 Apr 2006
Posts: 1301
Location: SF Bay

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:48 pm    Post subject: Humor? Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
Most people are intelligent enough to stop reading it the second time.
Some are even discerning enough to ignore it the first time.
Then there's Brucie.



Now that retort was pretty danged good! Even worth reading 3X

Smile

_________________
mo
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
SWE106



Joined: 14 Feb 2005
Posts: 264
Location: San Mateo

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:23 pm    Post subject: Re: larger sail quivers Reply with quote

jimwilkins wrote:
I want to know what sails are used for 15+ through 19 mph. I have a high wind quiver that works well for the delta and high wind days at the point. But there are a few dozen days where i'll see guys blasting on large sails at the Acess and Coyote. Whats a good quiver for those days.

I bought a 6.0 and its really either too small or too big. Never otherwise.


Back to the original question now...

Jim, it all depends on:

1) Your weight
2) Your level (novice, advanced, expert, pro)
3) Your sail type (wave, freestyle, slalom, cambered, freeride), sail's condition and age
4) Your board type (same as sail type), board's condition and age
5) Fin type and size
6) Conditions: flooding/ebbing

That info is all needed to give a fair and accurate assessment.

For me personally (205lbs dry, expert, wave/freestyle -board and sail- latest models: 09s); I would be on a 5.3 Simmer ICON with a 105L Quatro FSW, and 7-8inch freestyle fin when it is 15-20 mph at the acces/coyote. At the coast that would have been a 86L Quatro wave board. My breakdown is as follows:

10-15mph: 5.6 and 105 FSW, 7.5" fin (86L wave at the coast, 23cm fin)
15-20mph: 5.3 and 105 FSW, 7" fin (86L wave at the coast, 22cm fin)
20-25mph: 4.7/5.0 and 1.05/95 FSW, 7"/6.5" fin (86L single/81L twin at the coast, 21/16.5cm fin)
25-30mph: 4.7/4.2 and 95 FSW, 6.5" fin (81L twin, 16.5cm fin)
30+ mph: 4.2 and 95 FSW 6.5" fin (81 twin, 16.5cm fin, hanging in there....)

All sails are ICONs.

Note that on an flood -wind and current are in the same direction at acces and coyote- I would rig a size bigger sail or rig the same sail fuller -less down and outhaul- and will also use a bigger fin.

If you can answer and post the 6 questions, then a fair assessment can be given and they will also help in assessing if your doing/rigging anything incorrect.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
capetonian



Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 1004
Location: Florida

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: larger sail quivers Reply with quote

SWE106 wrote:


10-15mph: 5.6 and 105 FSW, 7.5" fin (86L wave at the coast, 23cm fin)
15-20mph: 5.3 and 105 FSW, 7" fin (86L wave at the coast, 22cm fin)
20-25mph: 4.7/5.0 and 1.05/95 FSW, 7"/6.5" fin (86L single/81L twin at the coast, 21/16.5cm fin)
25-30mph: 4.7/4.2 and 95 FSW, 6.5" fin (81L twin, 16.5cm fin)
30+ mph: 4.2 and 95 FSW 6.5" fin (81 twin, 16.5cm fin, hanging in there....)


I am not an efficient sailor compared to others (in partial explanation I hate slogging)

Slalom/speed sailing is very different to freestyle/wave sailing (me = 190 lbs dry):
10-12 mph: sit on the beach and wish I owned an SUP
13-15 mph: 9.0 race sail on iSonic 115L
16-19 mph: 7.6 race sail on iSonic 115L
20-24 mph: 7.0 race sail on Exocet Slalom 62 (90L)
25+mph: what's that? (I live in Los Angeles)

Wave boards and sails have a different range to slalom gear, :
<16 mph: go surfing
16-19 mph: 6.2 wave sail and an Evo 92
20-24 mph: 5.3 wave sail on Evo 92
25+mph: I'm still waiting
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
beallmd



Joined: 10 May 1998
Posts: 1149

PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Allow me to simplify; 15 not fun, 19 fun.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    iWindsurf Community Forum Index -> Southwest USA, Hawaii, Mexico All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2
Page 2 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You can attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum

myiW | Weather | Community | Membership | Support | Log in
like us on facebook
© Copyright 1999-2007 WeatherFlow, Inc Contact Us Ad Marketplace

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group