11,780

[wsurfer]

Mafia Don makes his move!!!

[wsurfer]

Mafia Don tells minions to march to the Capitol.

Our Law and Order President sows discourse and has ordered chaos!

Lock him up!!!

[mac]

Even Fox news is horrified—but are they really surprised?

[boggsman1]

Shots fired....not shocking. Cretins revolt.

[LHDR]

In defense of those storming the Capitol, if the allegations I just heard from House Republicans objecting the Arizona count were true, I think their actions would be justified.

[mac]

[vientomas]

Arizona officials certified the results of the general election on Monday, confirming Democratic President-elect Joe Biden’s victory in the state and clearing the way for Mark Kelly to take a seat in the U.S. Senate as soon as Wednesday.

The short event in the old state Capitol in Phoenix typically is a mere formality, scheduled by law for the fourth Monday after Election Day, long after the dust of campaign season ordinarily has settled.

But as President Donald Trump and many supporters have continued to dispute his defeat, the occasion drew national attention and served as a rebuttal of his claims of fraud and an affirmation of the state’s election process.

After protests and lawsuits, it was all a bit anticlimactic, too, simply confirming one more time what some analysts on election night said the presidential race would yield: a Biden victory in this battleground state.


Republican, Democratic officials confident in results
Secretary of State Katie Hobbs signed the official elections results, compiled from the final tallies of Arizona’s 15 counties, alongside Gov. Doug Ducey, Attorney General Mark Brnovich and Chief Justice Robert Brutinel.

Hobbs, a Democrat, touted high turnout despite the election unfolding in the midst of a pandemic and attributed much of that to the long-running popularity of voting by mail in Arizona and broader awareness of early in-person voting.

Voters cast more than 3.2 million ballots and turnout neared 80%, up from about 65% in 2018 and about 74% during the last presidential election in 2016, Hobbs said.

"Despite the unprecedented challenges, Arizonans showed up for our democracy," Hobbs said. "Every Arizona voter has my thanks and should know they can stand proud that this election was conducted with transparency, accuracy and fairness in accordance with Arizona’s laws and election procedures, despite numerous unfounded claims to the contrary."

Hobbs began the meeting by listing steps the state takes to ensure the security of the election, from auditing ballots by hand to testing equipment publicly and including all political parties in the tabulation process.

Ducey, a Republican who campaigned with Trump, expressed confidence in the election process.

"We do elections well here in Arizona. The system is strong and that’s why I bragged on it so much," he said.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/30/arizona-secretary-state-certify-election-results-monday/6444577002/

[LHDR]

mac, if people believe these Republican politicians, which is very easy when you listen to them - tens of thousands of votes changed, unlawful election rule changes by Democrats, etc - and you see courts and majorities in Congress giving in, then aren't you justified to conclude that the end of our republic is here unless you stop the steal by any means?

And wouldn't you have concluded the same if Trump had managed to find his 11,780 votes and more, and courts and majorities in Congress had succumbed? I mean, what do you do at that point? Storming the Capitol seems perhaps the right thing to do?

My point is that the people who are honestly believing the cynical Republican lies about the election and are storming the Capitol are much less guilty than Republican politicians.

[mac]

True that. I listened to Hawley bullshit his way through claims about the Pennsylvania elections while the discussion was about Arizona. His concern is that the the state of Pennsylvania changed the rules for this election to allow absentee ballots. He argued that this change was not consistent with the state Constitution--and that Congress was the only venue for addressing those concerns. That is utter nonsense. The states, not Congress, are responsible for administration of their voting laws. Pennsylvania adopted these rules in response to an emergency--COVID. The objections to this system went to the State Supreme Court, which rejected the appeal as not timely. As I understand it, they found that there was plenty of time to raise these questions before the election--but Republicans did not raise them before the election. Only when Pennsylvania went to Trump did a court case arise. Hawley has invented a role for Congress that does not exist in the Constitution--as an effort to position himself for a presidential run in 2024. He knows better, and this kind of anti-Constitutional pandering is exactly what the Republicans are guilty of. They indeed do know better.

[mac]