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mat-ty



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
How big is the subsidy Matty? How much will the clean-up of Fukushima cost? Since you don't trust government, and the Japanese government allowed the utility to ignore the tsunami hazard at Fukushima, and the generators have tried to ignore faults at Diablo Canyon and San Onofre, and Trump is destroying every bit of government oversight he can--who's going to make it safe? And who's going to pay for the clean-up when it isn't?

Of course we could also talk about cooling water...but it doesn't help to have a conversation with someone who knows absolutely nothing.


Know enough to reduce you to a blathering fool.....who's gonna...who's gonna...lol ....fucking nitwit .

Which one is it moron...destroy the Earth and 7 billion peoples lungs with carbon ???? or risk a much less dangerous and likely Nuclear accident????
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mac



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still waiting for a coherent response.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
coboardhead said:
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Unless we can agree that climate change is real, we cannot begin to address solutions in a "rational" manner. This isn't just the fault of the left as you guys cast it. Denial is not a strategy.


Fine and dandy, but no comment on the key players of the world and their commitment to carbon reduction. The US isn't just sitting on their butts, progress is being made while the biggest players in the world continue to be a growing problem.

Quote:
U.S. Leads World In Reducing CO2 Emissions, While Paris Accord Nations Break Promises


Read more at:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/34848/study-us-leads-world-reducing-co2-emissions-while-james-barrett


Aren't you the poster who belittled my installation of solar panels? As I recall, you actually even called me an insult in the process. Pretty funny Techno that you now take credit for the reductions in carbon.

The US has reduced carbon as a result of the Obama Administration and the advancements in higher efficiency. In addition, the use of natural gas as a replacement for coal has done its share. It has nothing to do with pulling out of the climate accord.

Yes. We need to make this a global effort or it means nothing. So, lets have a trade war with China and play that card for whatever reason Trump has (does he have one?) instead of using our trading to stimulate compromises and agreements on carbon reduction? That's what we should be doing.
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Washington Post today.

Antarctic sea ice has grown to a record large extent for a second straight year, baffling scientists seeking to understand why this ice is expanding rather than shrinking in a warming world.
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mat-ty



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coboardhead wrote:
techno900 wrote:
coboardhead said:
Quote:
Unless we can agree that climate change is real, we cannot begin to address solutions in a "rational" manner. This isn't just the fault of the left as you guys cast it. Denial is not a strategy.


Fine and dandy, but no comment on the key players of the world and their commitment to carbon reduction. The US isn't just sitting on their butts, progress is being made while the biggest players in the world continue to be a growing problem.

Quote:
U.S. Leads World In Reducing CO2 Emissions, While Paris Accord Nations Break Promises


Read more at:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/34848/study-us-leads-world-reducing-co2-emissions-while-james-barrett


Aren't you the poster who belittled my installation of solar panels? As I recall, you actually even called me an insult in the process. Pretty funny Techno that you now take credit for the reductions in carbon.

The US has reduced carbon as a result of the Obama Administration and the advancements in higher efficiency. In addition, the use of natural gas as a replacement for coal has done its share. It has nothing to do with pulling out of the climate accord.

Yes. We need to make this a global effort or it means nothing. So, lets have a trade war with China and play that card for whatever reason Trump has (does he have one?) instead of using our trading to stimulate compromises and agreements on carbon reduction? That's what we should be doing.




Does he have one?????? did you seriously ask that question?? China is raping us to the tune of 500 billion per year. You lefties run around screaming Russia, Russia , Russia, when they pose little threat to us, but say next to nothing about the biggest thief's on Earth...not to mention polluters..

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techno900



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coboardhead said:
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Aren't you the poster who belittled my installation of solar panels? As I recall, you actually even called me an insult in the process. Pretty funny Techno that you now take credit for the reductions in carbon.

Not me, in fact I am on the Architectural Review Committee in our development (1300 homes) and was an advocate of changing our "Guidelines" to accommodate those that wanted to install solar. Six home have done so in the last year and a half. Solar is fine and dandy, so are hybrid and electric cars as well as wind power.

My obvious point is that with all the hype from the left about climate change, and what the US must rush to do to solve it, is for the most part - BS. The US leads the world, but that is just a small part of solving the overall problem.

Do you actually think that with or without Trump's trade war with China, that that would have any impact on China's need for power generation.


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Most of the electricity in China comes from coal, which accounted for 66% of the electricity generation mix in 2016.[2] Coal-fired electricity production declined from 2013 to 2016 coinciding with a major boom in renewable energy, and a decline in GDP growth.[3][4] China's coal powered generating capacity is expected to increase to 1300 GW by 2020, from 960 GW in 2016, despite official plans to limit that growth to 1100 GW.[5]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_China
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mac



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
Washington Post today.

Antarctic sea ice has grown to a record large extent for a second straight year, baffling scientists seeking to understand why this ice is expanding rather than shrinking in a warming world.


Bard—-the Antarctic is much colder than the Arctic. Ice always melts during the summer in the Arctic—the question is how much. The increases in the Antarctic are on the order of 1%, so the net trend is still down.

Did you also pick cherries for a living when you were younger?

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/features/despite-antarctic-gains-global-sea-ice-shrinking
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess we can blame this on China, and Fox will tell Matty that Trump's tariffs will solve the problem.

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Record-breaking temperatures and unusual precipitation patterns are wreaking havoc across Alaska
By Lauren Tierney and
Laris Karklis
August 22 at 10:54 AM
Alaska is having a rough summer. Following a July that was Alaska’s hottest month on record, erratic and unusual precipitation totals have caused downpours in some parts of the state and sparked fires and water restrictions in others.


14-day observed precipitation, Aug.20

Less than 1 inch

8 or more inches

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Nome

Fairbanks is on pace for one of the ten wettest months on record.

Bethel

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Anchorage has received

little precipitation and the air has been warm and smoky from nearby wildfires.

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Southeast Alaska, known as a temperate rainforest, has been below normal for rainfall in August, but Ketchikan just broke a 90-year record for daily rainfall yesterday with 4.85 inches of rain.

Juneau

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Ketchikan

300 MILES

August and September are typically the wettest months for Alaska. Northern Alaska, including Fairbanks, has been inundated with precipitation this month due to an atmospheric river event. Meanwhile in Southern Alaska, Anchorage received only trace amounts of rain in August, and only a quarter-inch of rain fell on Ketchikan, where water restrictions were being enforced until a heavy rain event Wednesday.

[More freak weather comes to Alaska, which has had an unprecedented summer]

This lack of precipitation is also contributing to wildfires. Alaska’s fire season typically ends in July with the onset of August precipitation, but last weekend, dry conditions and high winds sparked a new fire, the McKinley Fire, just north of Anchorage along Parks Highway, destroying about 50 structures. These conditions also ramped up the already existing Swan Lake Fire in the Kenai Peninsula that was mostly contained, spreading smoke across Anchorage and a large swath of South-central Alaska. In Anchorage, air quality has been among the poorest observed in the United States this summer.


Wildfire areas burning on August 19

To Denali National Park

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“In most years, the season really ramps up around the first of June and reliably dies down by the first of August. Occasionally, the fire season lasts well into August,” said Brian Brettschneider, a researcher for the University of Alaska at Fairbanks at the International Arctic Research Center. While in the Lower 48 it can take months for vegetation to dry out enough to fuel fires, in Alaska, black spruce forests can be susceptible to fires after only a few days of dry conditions.

McKinley Fire burns near Willow, Alaska
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Areas north of Willow, Alaska, burned in the McKinley Fire, which started on Aug. 17. (Kate Rabinowitz/The Washington Post)

This is not a record fire year for Alaska, but it is a significant one with more than 2 million acres burned. The amount of acres burned due to wildfires throughout Alaska’s recorded fire history is variable, but the frequency of fire seasons where 2 million acres or more are burned has increased in recent years.


Acres burned in Alaska

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The setup for this extended fire season was exacerbated by unusually warm temperatures early in the summer. Anomalous warmth in the past year, as well as warmer-than-usual waters in the surrounding Bering, Chukchi, and Beaufort seas and the North Pacific Ocean fueled the warm and humid conditions experienced by Alaskans.


Sea surface temperature anomaly, August 19

9˚F below normal

9˚F above normal

RUSSIA

No data

Nome

Prudhoe Bay

Bethel

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CANADA

Anchorage

YUKON

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OCEAN

Juneau

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COLUMBIA

This “bathtub” of warm water surrounding Alaska helped contribute to higher-than-normal temperatures, especially overnight lows that trended higher than normal. In Anchorage, June and July were the warmest months ever recorded, with nighttime lows that rarely dropped below 50 degrees for most of the summer. In a city with buildings designed to keep warmth in, this has been problematic for residents.


Daily temperatures in Anchorage

On July 4, Anchorage set a record high of 90 degrees

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Between June 21 and Aug. 18, the low temperature did not drop below 50 degrees, the second-longest stretch on record.

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June 15

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Anchorage has seen 14 nights dropping below 50 degrees this summer. The only other time the city saw so few was in 2016, when they had only 13 such nights. From 1952 to 2012, Anchorage had only five nights that failed to drop below 60 degrees. This summer, they have had 9 of those nights.

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The warmer-than-usual waters are not expected to cool anytime soon, which will likely lead to a milder fall and early winter period. Alaskan firefighters who normally transition to firefighting in the Lower 48 in August continue to battle the fires back home.
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a simple question. WHY ARE THE OBAMA'S BUYING A BEACH FRONT ESTATE IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE UNDER WATER IN A FEW YEARS?
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vientomas



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
Just a simple question. WHY ARE THE OBAMA'S BUYING A BEACH FRONT ESTATE IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE UNDER WATER IN A FEW YEARS?


WHAT IS THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEA LEVEL AND THEIR HOUSE?
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