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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
So now Rudy admits collusion—but denies it was agent orange. Do the kids go under the bus next?

WRONG!
He only said he can't account for the campaign, only Trump, which is a far cry from an admission that they did.
So you can put away your brittle pole vault of flawed logic.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
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By Allyson Chiu and
Lindsey Bever January 17 at 11:12 AM
Rudolph W. Giuliani claimed Wednesday night that he “never said there was no collusion” between President Trump’s campaign and Russia leading up to the 2016 presidential election.

In a remarkable, at times contentious interview with CNN’s Chris Cuomo, the president’s lawyer was accused of contradicting his own past statements about collusion as well as what Trump and his supporters have repeatedly asserted. On Twitter, Trump has used the phrase “no collusion” dozens of times, and a number of those instances were direct denials that his campaign was involved with the Russian government.


Educating Matty is impossible, but here is the law, from the FEC's web-site.

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The Act and Commission regulations include a broad prohibition on foreign national activity in connection with elections in the United States. 52 U.S.C. § 30121 and generally, 11 CFR 110.20. In general, foreign nationals are prohibited from the following activities:

Making any contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or making any expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement in connection with any federal, state or local election in the United States;
Making any contribution or donation to any committee or organization of any national, state, district, or local political party (including donations to a party nonfederal account or office building account);
Making any disbursement for an electioneering communication;
Making any donation to a presidential inaugural committee
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Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to an FEC enforcement action, criminal prosecution, or both.

Definition
The following groups and individuals are considered "foreign nationals" and are subject to the prohibition:

Foreign citizens (not including dual citizens of the United States);




Contributions to the NRA, multiple convictions so far. I already know that Matty likes Trump's lies and criminal associates.



And nothing leads to Trump. Thats why all the left can do is drag this out forever in the hopes of keeping ignorant old fools like Mac aroused. 2 plus years, dozens of lawyers and investagators and the best they have come up with is some process crimes and exposed manafort for what he is....yawn

There has been ZERO evidence of any laws or crimes committed by Trump, ZERO... That's why he's still president and will be for at least two more years.. Keep spewing your daily leftwing nonsense and I will continue to remind you WHO YOUR president is...DONALD TRUMP.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never suprised by the bitter enders.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ya only was it 10 people were dealing with russians including himself.
all of them have co-incidently lied about their interactions with the russians.
and trump the micro manager does not know his top of the top level people were doing. i mean his campaign head went to europe and he did not know why he was going to a foreign country to meet with a KGB guy.

and the kicker is rarely if ever does a campaign deal with our adversary when running for office. they are too busy.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/giuliani-stuns-new-claim-i-never-said-there-was-no-collusion?cid=eml_mra_20190117

Giuliani stuns with new claim: 'I never said there was no collusion'

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Trump's political operation and Russia may have colluded after all. That's not my argument; that's the president's lawyer's argument.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm maybe cohen has more tapes....

again we need a non-life long republican in charge of the investigation. We need a adversary that will go for all crimes trump and nail the scum of the earth.

again the russians knew trump wand Cohen were lying and did not leak it to Hillary or the world. They knew they had trump to do them the huge favors he has already done.

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January 17: Day 728 of the Trump administration and day 27 of the partial government shutdown.

There is significant breaking news coming from Buzzfeed that says President Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about the Moscow Tower Project.
"President Donald Trump directed his longtime attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, according to two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter. Trump also supported a plan, set up by Cohen, to visit Russia during the presidential campaign, in order to personally meet President Vladimir Putin and jump-start the tower negotiations. 'Make it happen,' the sources said Trump told Cohen."


NBC News has not independently verified this report. MSNBC will have continuing coverage.

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Buzzfeed reporter: President Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress

Reporter Anthony Cormier joins Lawrence O'Donnell by phone to discuss the breaking news reported by Buzzfeed. Says Lawrence O'Donnell: “Here you have Michael Cohen describing exactly what Donald Trump’s nominee for attorney general described in his confirmation hearing as a crime, and is a crime if committed even by the president…. This seems to be a new level of jeopardy for the president.”


https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/buzzfeed-reporter-president-trump-directed-michael-cohen-to-lie-to-congress-1428058691787?cid=eml_mda_20190118


as noted trump is not tweeting these are lies.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/rep-swalwell-reacts-to-report-trump-told-his-lawyer-to-lie-to-congress-1428061251891


Rep. Swalwell reacts to report Trump told his lawyer to lie to Congress

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Congressman Swalwell tells Lawrence O'Donnell that Michael Cohen lying to Congress is not only the latest evidence of collusion, but that Cohen was under oath when he reportedly lied.


again witness tampering/intimidation threatening cohens family...

as noted if hillary made threats to Bills antagonist would she have been let off with nothing, i mean the media would have been front page for months. again witness intimidation tampering is a felony with 20 years of jail time.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari-melber/watch/michael-cohen-s-lawyer-he-might-not-testify-after-trump-threats-1427975747707


Michael Cohen’s advisor: He won’t let 'bully' Trump silence him

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Michael Cohen is opening up about things that he did for Trump, while employed as his lawyer, including hiring a firm to rig online polls at the direction and for “the sole benefit” of Trump. Trump is publicly threatening Cohen’s family, a sign that he may be afraid of what Cohen will say. Michael Cohen’s legal adviser Lanny Davis joins MSNBC Chief Legal Analyst, Ari Melber, for his first appearance since the news broke.


here trump makes claims of corruption of rigging polls, when he was doing it.

https://www.msnbc.com/stephanie-ruhle/watch/cohen-says-he-paid-tech-firm-to-rig-online-polls-before-campaign-at-the-direction-of-trump-1427558979639

Cohen says he paid tech firm to rig online polls before campaign 'at the direction of' Trump

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In response to WSJ reporting, former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen asserts that he paid a small tech firm to rig online polls before the 2016 presidential campaign "at the direction of and the sole benefit of" Donald Trump.



too bad for trump Barr wrote about obstruction of justice and in his hearings was it 2 days ago he said his writing were correct, he needed yesterdays cohens statements...

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/if-true-obstruction-of-justice-by-anybody-s-standards-1428169283992

If true, 'obstruction of justice by anybody's standards'

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President Trump directed his longtime attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, according to federal law enforcement sources in a new BuzzFeed report.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

another conviction... with not even a significant penalty by the right wing run in-justice department. they should have been closed down ...

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/doj-reaches-settlement-for-millions-with-manafort-tied-law-firm-1428084803929

DOJ reaches settlement for millions with Manafort-tied law firm

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Rachel Maddow reports on the large, well-respected law firm, Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher and Flom, agreeing to a civil settlement of several million dollars with the DOJ over work it did with Paul Manafort the pro-Russian Ukrainian politicians.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The House votes 362-53 against lifting sanctions on Derispaka. 136 Republicans joined Democrats. But the turtle-man killed any chance of rebuking Trump and Mnuchin in the Senate by preventing cloture. So the man who paid Manafort to somehow get around the sanctions and the Magnisky Act makes billions.

This is what Russia-gate was always about. The Russians helped Trump in every way possible in exchange for relaxation of sanctions without actually changing the law. Team treason at work.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Former top FBI attorney James Baker admitted to House lawmakers in October last year that the investigation into alleged collusion between the Trump 2016 presidential campaign and Russia was riddled with abnormalities.

Confronted with a damning summary of abnormalities, bias, and omissions, which transpired during the investigation, Baker told Congress that the investigation indeed was “highly unusual.”

“I had a jaundiced eye about everything, yes. I had skepticism about all this stuff. I was concerned about all of this. This whole situation was horrible, and it was novel and we were trying to figure out what to do, and it was highly unusual,” Baker told lawmakers.

Members of the House judiciary and oversight committees conducted the interviews in an unclassified setting, with agency counsel present to ensure that classified information didn’t enter into the unclassified setting. The transcripts of the interviews have not been publicly released, but were obtained for this article.

Baker served as the FBI’s general counsel when the bureau investigated the Trump campaign and Hillary Clinton’s use of an unauthorized private email server. During two days of testimony on Oct. 3 and Oct. 18, he told lawmakers that he believed even toward the end of the Clinton investigation that she should have been charged over her “alarming, appalling” mishandling of classified information.

He argued with others, including then-FBI Director James Comey, about the issue all the way toward the end of the investigation, but was ultimately persuaded that Clinton should be exonerated.

“My original belief … after having conducted the investigation and towards the end of it, then sitting down and reading a binder of her materials, I thought that it was alarming, appalling, whatever words I said, and argued with others about why they thought she shouldn’t be charged,” Baker told lawmakers.

As of October 2018, nearly two years after the Clinton probe concluded, Baker still believed that the conduct of the former secretary of state and her associates was “appalling” with regard to the handling of classified information.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
Former top FBI attorney James Baker admitted to House lawmakers in October last year that the investigation into alleged collusion between the Trump 2016 presidential campaign and Russia was riddled with abnormalities.

Confronted with a damning summary of abnormalities, bias, and omissions, which transpired during the investigation, Baker told Congress that the investigation indeed was “highly unusual.”

“I had a jaundiced eye about everything, yes. I had skepticism about all this stuff. I was concerned about all of this. This whole situation was horrible, and it was novel and we were trying to figure out what to do, and it was highly unusual,” Baker told lawmakers.

Members of the House judiciary and oversight committees conducted the interviews in an unclassified setting, with agency counsel present to ensure that classified information didn’t enter into the unclassified setting. The transcripts of the interviews have not been publicly released, but were obtained for this article.

Baker served as the FBI’s general counsel when the bureau investigated the Trump campaign and Hillary Clinton’s use of an unauthorized private email server. During two days of testimony on Oct. 3 and Oct. 18, he told lawmakers that he believed even toward the end of the Clinton investigation that she should have been charged over her “alarming, appalling” mishandling of classified information.

He argued with others, including then-FBI Director James Comey, about the issue all the way toward the end of the investigation, but was ultimately persuaded that Clinton should be exonerated.

“My original belief … after having conducted the investigation and towards the end of it, then sitting down and reading a binder of her materials, I thought that it was alarming, appalling, whatever words I said, and argued with others about why they thought she shouldn’t be charged,” Baker told lawmakers.

As of October 2018, nearly two years after the Clinton probe concluded, Baker still believed that the conduct of the former secretary of state and her associates was “appalling” with regard to the handling of classified information.


sounds like this wacko is a ultra right winger. wonder what he thinks of trump and so on using personal phones and the trump server for government business.

now time for the dems to be compelling the witnesses to tell the truth with some real questions. aas we know the FBI as noted is a right wing organization with fux on all its TVs.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we need a real investigstion... WTF, mueller only checking to see this last friday... what a right wing incompetent moron. Shows he is not going after Trump, that he is softballing and delaying.

we need a liberal that will go after all crimes trump and get to the bottom of this.

https://news.yahoo.com/u-asked-ecuadorean-officials-alleged-assange-manafort-meeting-014946575.html

U.S. asked Ecuadorean officials about alleged Assange-Manafort meeting: source

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QUITO (Reuters) - U.S. officials spoke with officials from Ecuador's British embassy on Friday about an alleged meeting there between President Donald Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, an Ecuadorean government source said.

The Guardian newspaper reported the meeting in November, alleging the two met at least three times, including in 2016, just before WikiLeaks released damaging emails about Trump's rival in the 2016 presidential elections, Hillary Clinton.

Manafort and Assange have both previously denied meeting each other at the embassy.

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