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nw30



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KGB-NP wrote:
Yaaaaaaa!

https://driving.ca/nissan/leaf/auto-news/news/nissan-leaf-sales-collapse-in-ontario-after-incentive-axed#Echobox=1547159172

Some discontinued hybrids or electric cars for 2019
Chevy Volt (their flagship car of the future)
Infiniti Q50 Hybrid
Cadillac CT6 Hybrid
Ford C-Max Hybrid
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our oceans are much warmer than we previously thought, according to a new study. They are also heating up faster than was believed, driven by climate change caused by humans.

The study, published this week in the journal Science, showed that the world's oceans have got much warmer since the 1960s. Its authors said 2018 would be the warmest year on record for oceans.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/12/health/warm-ocean-effects-intl/index.html

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/363/6423/128.full.pdf
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
KGB-NP wrote:
Yaaaaaaa!

https://driving.ca/nissan/leaf/auto-news/news/nissan-leaf-sales-collapse-in-ontario-after-incentive-axed#Echobox=1547159172

Some discontinued hybrids or electric cars for 2019
Chevy Volt (their flagship car of the future)
Infiniti Q50 Hybrid
Cadillac CT6 Hybrid
Ford C-Max Hybrid


And to think they provided rebates for upgrading the efficiency of your home through heating / cooling systems, LED lighting etc. to decrease the load on the infrastructure, but hey everyone, let's plug in those electric cars you bought with your hefty rebates.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A study published in the journal Advances in Atmospheric Sciences said that ocean temperatures reached their highest recorded level in 2018, surpassing 2017 and making the last five years the warmest on record for the oceans. (The Hill)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note -- "On record". Remind us again. How old is it you theorize the earth is?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure that NP can find a oil-company generated video of snow to try to divert from the issue. But here is just the bare tip of the iceberg about what this will cost us.

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PG&E May Be the Business World’s Biggest Climate-Change Casualty Yet
By Brian Eckhouse and Eric Roston
January 15, 2019, 10:11 AM PST Updated on January 15, 2019, 9:01 PM PST
The troubled utility has cited climate change as a culprit
Potential bankruptcy ‘real wake-up call’ for businesses

First, more than a decade ago, severe weather bankrupted an electric company in New Orleans. Then it helped take down one in Houston. Now, in California, it has pushed PG&E Corp. to the brink, in the biggest warning yet about the financial risks of climate change.

The utility giant’s critics contend it’s hurtling toward bankruptcy court because of its own negligence and arrogance. But for many months, PG&E has pointed to the culprit of a shifting climate that led to devastating wildfires and, now, crushing liabilities. It’s “a real wake-up call” for businesses across the country, said Ian Monroe, chief executive officer of the socially responsible investment firm Etho Capital.

Whatever their exact cause, the California fires -- and the utility’s response -- have turned PG&E into a poster child for climate-change dangers. A bankruptcy would make it the largest company to seek protection while blaming the effects of a warming planet for the situation.

Some experts don’t see any sector as safe, as the likelihood of what used to be improbable weather disasters grows.

“Climate is increasingly being connected to all sorts of potent natural events, and it magnifies the intensity of the events that companies running businesses are facing,” said Dan Reicher, a fellow at the Steyer-Taylor Center for Energy Policy and Finance at Stanford University. “The question is, if your service is out because of a hurricane, to what extent can you point to climate change as a cause? That’s for the courts and public opinion.”

Katrina, Harvey
The most directly vulnerable are utilities like PG&E, long viewed as safe and steady investments. Hurricane Katrina bankrupted an Entergy Corp. unit in New Orleans when its customer base was decimated, and the 60 inches (152 centimeters) of rain dumped by Hurricane Harvey did the same to already struggling ExGen Texas Power LLC. But there’s a long list of those at risk, including farmers, homebuilders and insurers; Merced Property and Casualty Co., a small California insurer, deteriorated due to losses from the 2018 Camp Fire, leading the state’s regulator to take control of it.

In August, the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond said in its Economic Brief that higher summer temperatures could hurt a variety of sectors. The evidence of warming “challenges long-standing assumptions that economic damage from climate change would be confined largely to the agricultural sector or to developing nations,” according to a summary of the report.

Bankruptcy Filing
As PG&E plans for a bankruptcy filing, it’s unclear what role its climate-change argument will play in court. The company aggressively made its case in California that it was dangerously exposed to what Geisha Williams, who quit as CEO over the weekend, called “climate-driven extreme weather.” It used that as part of its unsuccessful bid to overturn a legal doctrine known as inverse condemnation, which holds California utilities responsible for wildfire damage caused by their equipment, whether or not they acted negligently.


State officials didn’t disagree that hot and dry summers were fueling ever more explosive blazes, but that didn’t get the company off the hook. The potential liabilities PG&E faces from fires in 2017 and 2018 are estimated at more than $30 billion; the state Department of Forestry and Fire Protection has blamed more than a dozen of the 2017 blazes in part on the company’s power lines and other equipment.

Governor Gavin Newsom and the legislature have signaled that they aren’t keen on using state funds to bail out the company, whose stock has crashed. Its bonds, which were trading above face value before the Camp Fire erupted in November and claimed more than 86 lives, and its the most liquid PG&E bonds, 6.05 percent notes due in 2034, fell 3.125 points to 77.25 cents on the dollar as of 11:20 a.m. in New York, according to Trace.

When the extraordinary wildfires raged in California’s Napa and Sonoma counties in 2017, the attitude was that it was a “terrible scenario but a one-off,” said Michael Wara, director of Stanford University’s climate and energy policy program. Then, “when the Camp Fire happened, it was, ‘Oh no, this is the normal.’ And now, they’re insolvent.”
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diversion is your specialty. Remind us again how old the earth is.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KGB-NP wrote:
Diversion is your specialty. Remind us again how old the earth is.


I guess NP missed the discussions of irony. He diverts by mistakenly calling a substantive post diversion. He calls me names for calling names. Unaware of His own hypocrisy?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What names? Are you afraid of competition?

You STILL didn't answer the question....how convenient.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PG&E looking for bankruptcy protection, because their lines caused the worst fires, and so many deaths, so now they are going to try to shift the blame onto global warming, and don't think they aren't, and mac eats it up.

mac and PG&E, both swimming in the same pool of excuses, some things are just to hysterical to believe, on both their parts, mac and his big corporation buddy, who knew. You've got BIG OIL which mac hates, and you've also got BIG ELECTRICITY, which mac loves? Fires and all?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure those fires were pretty hard on the environment.
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